2.26.2012

"Kirk Tuck Swung and Missed This TIme."


After I wrote the piece last Saturday about the Panasonic G3 being a pretty nice camera I felt that I'd pulled off a neat and inoffensive task.  I'd written about a camera that seemed to have passed under many people's radars, offered it as a lower cost alternative tool for people who are craving the new (and on the face of it, very good camera) Olympus OM-D5 and had done so without writing anything that might cause umbrage in any quarter.  Several hours later the wise and infallible ones from a (redacted web site)  forum descended upon it like community-college-technical-school-graduate-soccer-hooligans and tore it to shreds.  Most misread the article.  But their basic objections centered around the idea that whatever aspects of the new, Olympus camera I found to be unimportant for myself were (obvious to all) the very things that the universe at large was waiting for with bated breath.  Never before had a camera been as weatherproof as they thought the OMD might be.  Never before had a camera focused as quickly, stabilized images as nimbly, etc. etc.  To compare it to the lowly Panasonic G3 was surely an act as heinous as comparing Scarlett Johansson to Roseanne Barr. (At the time of my review no one outside Olympus had handled or shot with a finished OMD product....).


Another expert quickly weighed in to tell the crowd that the G3 was my first micro four thirds camera.  That I had just discovered the system and my depth of knowledge about the systems was pathetic.  On par with a vegan's knowledge about grilling Ribeye steaks.  That led another intellectual knuckle-dragger to disparage my review as a bald attempt to garner attention to my wildly profitable blog site. (My words, not his.)  Presumably, though I hadn't posted any links at (redacto site), I had somehow contrived to insert directional information to my misguided review of the G3 which, not doubt, immediately drove thousands of people to click through the link that wasn't on my blog in order to snap up the unending and limitless inventory of G3's and enrich me like a retiring congressman.  And I must admit that I'm dictating all of this to my hot, supermodel assistant who is writing it down on a gold plated iPad while we are driven about, sneering at the Nikon and Canon users, in my new Bentley.  The Bentley I acquired at the expense of tens of thousands of duped  new Panasonic G3 buyers.  

The thought of all those legions of snookered buyers sitting in their quiet living rooms, drowning  in their tears after having spent the last of their children's college funds on what can only be considered a train wreck of a camera (the G3)  while I laugh it all off and wipe small spots of caviar off the corners of my mouth with a napkin made from supermodel lingerie is almost too much to bear.  I've taken several hundred thousand dollars from my Panasonic link proceeds from recommending the G3 to unprotected buyers, to start a reading comprehension program for forum "experts".  More details about that to come....


Had I been wrong?  Was the G3 donkey spit compared to the resplendent proficiency of the new master of all cameras, the princely Olympus OMD?  Had my greed for links blinded me to my moral and ethical responsibility to participate more aggressively in the group worship of the new?  Were my admittedly flawed powers of camera observation falling apart faster than a counterfeit Rolex wristwatch?  I decided to spend a day with the woefully incompetent G3 and better understand my own short comings as a writer, a reviewer......dare I say it?  Even as a photographer.  So I slapped one lens on the front (a non-image stabilized lens!!!!!! God protect me from myself !!!!) and slinked out the door to further damage my reputation.  


I looked for subject matter that would effectively resonate for the denizens/hoodlums of the m4:3 forum at (redacto site) but I don't own a cat so the "homage to whiskers" was not fulfilled.  I was using a normal focal length lens so the whole idea of "birding" was a non-starter.  No "charming" toddlers at hand, either.  With sad resignation and with full cognizance of my remuneration for writing this firmly in mind I just went for my usual walk downtown.  Nothing special and certainly not the kind of exhaustive testing I should have done to reveal all the things real photographers desperately need to see in order to evaluate a new (or insanely old ) camera:  ISO performance at 25,000, Low ISO banding,  High ISO banding, white "disks", red "dots", and, of course, noise, noise, noise at 300 percent.  I'm sorry I wasn't able to accomplish any of these critical tests.


After reading about a successful transplant operation in Turkey I was, for a  moment, tempted to have my normal hands transplanted with monster fat American hands so I could report accurately on just how horrible the haptics of the hapless camera are for more amply configured but the doctors, curiously, told me that such operations were done on a "need only" basis.  Did I tell them how badly people needed to know about the possible shortcomings of a $600 camera?  Apparently not in a convincing enough tone.....  Apparently if you are the average seven foot tall, 500 pound American you will have trouble using the buttons on the camera or even holding it comfortably.  In fact, in areas where my column of last saturday had the deepest penetration the hospitals are filling up with critical "hand cramping" cases from use of these obviously "too small" cameras.  


In the self portrait above you can clearly see that I dwarf the camera and that it is un-holdable.  Pity the people that I mislead into this kind of agony.... They were unable to get any other information anywhere else.  In the shoulder bag, the strap of which you can see in the image above, I have a series of magnifying glasses with which to actually operate the camera.  They are used in conjunction with miniaturized tools to poke the buttons.  According the the experts in those previously named forums the camera shatters the laws of physics by being, at the same time, too large and too small.....  It will fit in really tight jeans pockets for some but not even in the back of a Cadillac Escalade for others.  Such is the nature of our elastic camera universe...


As I put the camer(G3) through its stumbling paces I found that the colors were way off.  Yes, white was white, etc. but not the white the camera cognoscenti crave.  The G3 yielded a white that was YYYxYYYxYYY with none of the hue-ish insouciance of the more gifted cameras.  And certainly I was not seeing the famous Olympus Jpeg colors anywhere in my Panasonic raw files.  I stopped to drink the hot chocolate given to me by a reviewers outreach program.  I am still amazed at one thing.... You know how people say even a clock is right twice a day (they are obviously not on 24 hour digital time....)???? Well, miraculously the G3 was able to focus right on the chocolate swirl.  A lucky accident at best...


While admittedly the camera (G3) is not weatherproof like it's Olympus Overlord I wondered if it was coffeeproof.  It is not.  But that's a whole other story.  My take away?  Never accept a challenge to dunk your camera and lens into a pot of boiling coffee.  Even if the camera fits.  Even if you might win a $5 bet.


After sustaining my resolve with coffee and hot chocolate and raspberry jelly filled donuts I continued the testing quest and immediately found that the G3 color controls were incapable of rendering this sunset in strictly neutral fashion, with a bald sky and perfectly white balanced building.  It was ONLY capable of capturing the scene exactly as I saw it.  What a sad commentary.


During the course of the day I also went to see my son run the 3200 meter event at an invitational track meet.  Of course, I'd read all the "feedback" on (Redacto Site) by this time so I only tried a few shots of the kid running.  By just a lucky accident the camera was able to lock on and follow focus Ben as he ran by but I chalk it up to divine intervention rather than any innate capabilities of the camera.  Pray more and perhaps your shots with inferior cameras will turn out better as well....


After his run I was ready to tackle another testing task with the forlorn and frustrating camera and prove, once and for all that this misguided sensor technology coupled with a lack of in body IS would make any image that crawled out of this camera so unsharp and unusable that it would kill the operator/owner from sheer embarrassment.  So I had a few more cups of coffee and went into an interior location to carelessly handhold the camera and see for myself just how horrifying the results would be... (Here it might be important to explain that NO images done before the year 1992, with the introduction of IS technology, had ever been rendered sharply.  It was only with IS coupled with IT users that cameras were finally able to rightfully claim even rudimentary sharpness.....).  Sadly, my fears were confirmed.  I'm not even sure you could tell the image above was of a human eye without massive captioning.


And, as a side issue, you can see that nothing in the background can ever be rendered out of focus with this whole pathetic genre of "cameras."  But of course the G3 is most egregious in this regard.


As dusk fell the camera would become most exposed for the poseur it really is.  Low light would render it unusable.  Dead weight.  Nothing but a noise generator, like the white noise generators sold to help people sleep.  The camera is, of course, not handholdable so there is no detail in the red fabric of the chair which is lit by a single MR-16 ceiling spot over head.  (But you knew that because you read that the dynamic range was so limited...).


Incapable of shooting a scene in a coffee shop.


The Primitive Focus incapable of sorting out the focus on the bubbles in the cappuccino.
And of course look at the color.  It's all over the map.  Damn tungsten lighting....


This guy had it right.  Why had I thrown away a king's ransom on the G3 when I could have gathered in as much happiness as I could handle with an iPhone camera?


Saddened by my realization of the limitations of the G3 I stumbled outside and contemplated giving back the huge bribe Panasonic had not offered me to tout their "defective offerings" I wiped a tear from my eye and shot this post dusk image of the Frost Tower.  But by this point of the day I was already inured to the utter failings of this camera and could, like Ansel Adams, pre-visualize my image's failure...








I realize my folly now.  I got anxious.  I jumped the gun.  I should have waited.  I shouldn't have had the hubris to think that my eye, my experience and my technical knowledge would be mitigating factor in the photographic capability of a camera.  All inferior cameras seem like boat anchors lashed to your ankles, pulling you down, down, down away from the critical oxygen of creative prowess.  Only a mighty, new and weatherproof camera can produce true art.  With or without the willing complicity of its owner.

What was I thinking?  That G3 is already nearly one year old.  Far past the "creative capability" use by date.   

64 comments:

Rob said...

"wipe small spots of caviar off the corners of my mouth with a napkin made from supermodel lingerie"
lmao - I'm going to have to remember that quote (unless you have it tradmarked already using part of your vast profits that is).... I love it :-)

Bold Photography said...

The HIP crowd (humour ImPaired) will be all over this one...

But, that's ok - pick me up in the Bentley for Tea, if you don't mind?

John said...

Right on! Maybe you will stop reading the forums, as I have. The only thing that comes from reading forums is high blood pressure.
In all seriousness, I couldn't agree more with you. I bought a G3 right before you did and am loving it. If fact, I'm selling my Pentax K-5 and all of the Pentax lenses and using the G3 instead. You can read about my reasons on my blog.
http://everchangingperspective.wordpress.com/

kirk tuck said...

Roger that. But every one KNOWS the Bentley is wildly inferior to the Aston Martin Lagonda because.....blah, blah, blah...

BruceK said...

Only one thing to say, I guess:

"Illegitimus non carborundum est"

I recently purchased a G3, again before you I believe, and love it.

I am curious, though. What brand of caviar? :-)

kirk tuck said...

Mors ultima linea rerum est.

Hans Andersen said...

For what it's worth, yesterday I took my G3 to the workshop you wrote about on Friday. My local edition of the workshop is held at the Seattle Japanese Garden, and I came away with slightly better compositions than the last time I attended that workshop (which, in turn was last week!)

Right now I'm in a race against time - will the sunlight return to Seattle and the rain subside before I break down and order an OMD? Stabilization and weather sealing are mighty tempting for folks like me who are deluded enough to want to shoot F/8 handheld at low ISO in the Pacific Northwest winter.

Actually... come to think of it... didn't DPReview start in London? And didn't it move to Seattle? No wonder they've created a culture that's so obsessed with High ISO, Stabilization, and Weather Sealing. And attending workshops in exotic places with warm climates. It all makes sense when you look at it like that.

Denise said...

I picked up a G3 this past Christmas and I've been very happy with it, as I was the G2 I owned before it. And I actually enjoyed reading your original review - it's nice to see the wonderful little G3 get some unexpected attention and praise.

Robert Roaldi said...

Imagine trying to crowd-source anything important on that site.

I only read it when I'm at work and need a break. No one hangs around the water cooler to exchange gossip where I work, so goofy web forums are my only escape. I think of them as interactive soap operas, sometimes as hilarious as that old show Dallas, one of the best TV comedies ever. (http://roberts-rants.blogspot.com/2008/06/thank-you-phill-watson-wherever-you-are.html)

Robert

Travis said...

"A wretched hive of scum and villainy..."

Kirk, you know as well as we do that the DPReview forums are, at best, a complete waste of time. People there evaluate cameras on any basis except their actual suitability as a photographic tool in real-world situations.

While I found your rant entertaining, and at least well-written, it barely rises above what you're complaining about. You can choose better when it comes to where you should take umbrage.

Jeff said...

A couple of days ago you wrote a great piece about not wasting your precious time reading garbage on the internet. Why do you aggravate yourself reading this stuff? I don't want you to get frustrated and stop writing the blog again.

kirk tuck said...

Travis, I'm glad you found the rant well written and entertaining. Where would you recommend I forage for umbrage? This was thrust upon me. I found it wildly ironic and wanted to comment on it. And, well,,,that's one of the reasons this blog exists.

If I'm always constrained to find the loftiest subject matter and most rigorous discourse I'll lose all interest.

Travis said...

I guess my point, put more succinctly, is: don't argue with idiots. (You know the rest.)

You are an accomplished professional and artist. You don't need to defend yourself against what clueless gear heads say.

Thanks for the beautiful low-light pictures, by the way. Dusk has always been my favorite time of day.

lim ss said...

I wonder what your accountant thinks of this.

Probably "So, that's why he doesn't do any work and waste all his time on that silly blog of his!"

Mike said...

I own a G3 and you are dead on :-) I do not own the 25mm Summilux, yet. Great choice! The 20mm Pancake and 7-14mm zoom are really nice also. Although, since I too am a 50+ male with short grey hair – it must be my faulty eyesight - since the blur from my non-stabilized outfit is easily observable to knowledgeable forum-flock. I “get” sarcasm too; must be a middle-aged thing. I purchased a Chocolate (otherwise known as Brown) G3 several months ago to supplement my E-PL2. At first I had buyer’s remorse and the guilt of being unfaithful to my Oly. However, I have taken to it, and now am in a polygamous relationship with both. It is a great camera! I prefer the add-on VF2 with the add-on eye-cup for my E-PL2. Yes – gotta have a Viewfinder, and the eye-cup really makes it for me. I actually prefer the rendering and color from the newer sensor in the G3. Like the feel of the E-PL2 better. Some of the knobs/buttons on both cameras are too fiddly and too easily pressed by mistake. Or - in the case of the G3, there is that 1 button I never use since it is impossible to locate by touch…arrrggghhh. Hoping for solid firm controls with the upcoming “pro spec” releases. Hoping for some Olympus Pixie dust to be sprinkled on the already very good G3 Sensor. But hey – what do I know – I just purchased a Medium Format point-and-shot film camera from KEH. Film, who knew! Love your Blog. Great way to start or end the day.

John Mason - Lafayette Indiana said...

Aw, man, did you have to let the 'knuckle draggers' know it was sarcasm with that last line? It's much more fun when you are being obviously sarcastic and watch them trip all over themselves.

Thanks for another enjoyable post repeating the sadly lacking theme by clear illustration that it's the photographer, not the equipment. That being said, I really like the look of that 25mm and the overall size of the kit!

What a long way things have come in a decade!

Jim A. said...

I was fool enough to comment in that forum not once, but twice. I mentioned that I had rented a little Fuji X10 to try out over Christmas. Everyone in the blogosphere seems to think they're hopelessly crippled by some "white dots" ailment. I commented that perhaps folks should try one for themselves before working into a frenzied and rabid state. I actually enjoyed the little camera, just not quite enough to go out and buy one for myself. But unknowingly I had trod into the den of trolls whose sole purpose in life is to wax venomously about any and all who dare contradict the orthodoxy. I was foolish enough to try and reason with the tribes again, once. After another round of abuse, I decided that rather than submit to that again, I'll just keep my sanity and read sites like yours. Cooler heads prevail. No doubt a similar tribe of trolls discovered your G3 comments and began anew the sharpening of spears and daggers.
It surprised me how pissed off I was by those faceless whiners. Raised my blood pressure a LOT. Then I thought to myself, "what do I care if a bunch of online cowards disagree with actual, real life experience?" And then I started to feel a little better. Then I read your post here, and I'm all better now. Thanks for that, you have once again restored my faith in photography as it's actually practiced...

kirk tuck said...

Thanks you. I appreciate where you are coming from. I'll try not to rise to the bait too often in the future but, I did have fun with this one. I too like the final low light images a lot. Nice camera and lens.

kirk tuck said...

When you're getting a huge percentage of possibly millions and millions of G3 sales what's not to like?

jtsmall said...

For some reason I'm compelled to comment too: your reputation is well intact here. Even notwithstanding your images! Which I happen to enjoy, each one.

John Small
www.pbase.com/jtsmall

Travis said...

This inspires me to get outside with my 25mm. I use it in studio a fair bit, but it's really meant to be outside, particularly in delicious light like that.

Now if only I wasn't in Idaho weather...

Michael Watkins said...

My first time leaving a comment here, but have been reading you for some time. Rising to the occasion is a time honored tradition. You've skewered the ignoratti well with your wit -- congratulations on a hilarious, well written, piece. The images are lovely too.

Scott Baker said...

Kirk,

Beautiful Daily Show / Colbert Report style response to the photo blog intelligentsia. Last week I warned you that you might piss off the shallow depth of field fetishists, and now you've apparently ruffled the feathers of the sharpness fetishists. Have you no shame? Will there be even one ivory towered forum that hasn't black-balled you? And certainly an experienced reviewer / profiteer knows that the most important sample photo is one with the lens cap still on. How else to estimate what will happen when you push the exposure slider 3 stops to the right in complete darkness?

Don't let the (you know whats) get you down! I love your blog!

Josef said...

Ha Ha, that is truly brilliant. Kudos to you. Reminds me of perusing the Leica forums, nowhere will you find worse photos in the universe than on those forums of "experts".

wjl (Wolfgang Lonien) said...

Aaahh *now* I get it! Somehow I saw that post without words first, but with them it's really a lot of fun as well!

I just borrowed my wife's 20mm Panny lens for a day or three, but I'm really contemplating about this one as well. Like the rendering of both of them I guess - but let me get some experience with the 20mm first.

Oh, and about the cat whiskers: you're invited to come to our place for your tests. The Sunday cat and Sunday kid/portrait threads are more or less the only ones I read, and post photos to. ;-)

cidereye said...

Kirk, how dare you argue with the forum experts from DPReview! It is not even a fair contest as, unlike the DPR know it all *talkers*, you actually not only talk about gear but actually take photographs as well. How unfair and unkind of you!

Anyway I don't know what they are on about because if they are so hyped up about the E-M5 they really must be dumb, EVERYBODY knows we should all hold off buying until the new E-M9 is launched in three years time. Duh. Might go for a photo walk with my state of the art F2AS this morning, how do you load that new fangled film stuff again? {sigh}.

dasar said...

Hi Kirk,
very nice and fun piece.
After reading your test of the G3 I wonder whether you plan to write something about the "correct" interpretation of DXOMark scores in real life.
DxoMark i.e. says that my old D300 is far better than G3, although I suspect that to be not really true when we go from lab to the street.

Low Budget Dave said...

After looking at the pictures, maybe the reason you get annoyed by trolls is you are drinking too much coffee...

On the other hand, how are you are able to hold the G3 steady? An enigma. Are you are secretly drinking decaf for the IBIS effect? If so, then maybe you are just paying too much attention to nitwits.

ramboorider said...

Kirk - I'm one of those people who's owned a GH2 (better part of a year) and a G3 (VERY briefly) and didn't particularly like them, despite their being VERY capable cameras. I used to love my GF1 but have more recently preferred Oly for a number of reasons that just come down to personal preference. Despite the G3 and GX1 clearly having a better sensor than any Oly to date. So I suppose I'm the kind of Oly-lover who could have taken umbrage at your piece on the G3. For some reason I didn't. These cameras are just tools. There's no doubt that the G3 is very capable and, if not for personal preference on a few key features, I'd have kept the G3 and would skip the OMD. As it is, I quickly returned the G3 and, given how I feel about the EP3 I tried and the EPL3 that's been my only m43 body since it came into existence last summer, I'll probably really like the OMD. It has pretty much everything I've been waiting for in an m43 body in one package (several of the features/capabilities have been available in other cameras, but not all in one place). So, I'm gonna go that way.

But I don't begin to get how people can get into these pissing matches and let cameras define their man (or woman) hood. And I greatly enjoyed this critique of the forum - pretty funny stuff. I'm gonna have to start a blog so I can have a Bently too! But I'd love it if you'd just ignored the trolls too. Any form of attention, whether on the forum or elsewhere just provides oxygen and encourages them. And now there's another thread on the forum taking note of THIS column and its highly likely to get contentious and nasty as well. Just a bunch of noise.

Your first column on the G3 / OMD was good enough to stand on its own - it didn't need this follow-up. Although, as entertainment, I have to admit to some guilty pleasure from this one...

-Ray Sachs

Alf said...

Entertaining. Now that I can read the whole post I fully enjoy it. And the nice images.

Joey said...

I loved this, and though I don't condone violence, some people in this world need the snot smacked out of them. ;)

Giulio Sciorio said...

Great post! Who cares what tolls think, they want to shoot, you're out shooting. They talk specs, you talk in reality.

There are a lot of enthusiasts "camera people" who talk as if they know everything about photography yet their work says otherwise.

I've been shooting exclusively with the Olympus Pen Mini EPM1 for months and I love it. I've enjoyed shooting with it so much I sold my Canon 5DMKII system. BTW I'm an award winning professional photographer from Miami. My clients loved seeing the Pen on shoots with the Canon gear and when I told them I'm shooting with it as my main camera they were excited to see what I produce for them.

I'm still getting work and enjoying shooting more then ever. For how I shoot the Pen Mini works great and I think that for most the 4/3 system is going to be plenty.

It's about photography remember?

Giulio Sciorio
giuliosciorio.com

Skip Hunt said...

"Several hours later the wise and infallible ones from a (redacted web site) forum descended upon it like community-college-technical-school-graduate-soccer-hooligans and tore it to shreds. Most misread the article."

I really don't get these sorts of people at all. And, it's why I tend not to hang out in shutterbugpixelpeepin' swamps, or join any photo clubs, or photo organizations, or "photo walks", or pretty much anything that draws this sort of "enthusiast".

And it's why I come to this blog. I get honest info from someone I know can make a decent image and has a wealth of experience with a wide variety of tools. I don't get blind fan boy garbage from someone who is woefully devoid of any real aesthetic appreciation beyond comparing specification stats.

I don't always agree, but I always know I'm getting well-rounded and honest feedback from someone who actually uses the various photographic tools and knows how to rend fine images from them.

Often, I get angry when I read what some of these knuckle draggers spew... but lately, I mostly just feel sorry for them.

kirk tuck said...
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kirk tuck said...

Skip and Giulio, as you are both users of small cameras for your professional careers you have my sincere admiration. I love the idea of doing it all with smaller cameras. I think it's creative and wonderful. I hope I get brave enough to follow.

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Alan said...

Kirk, I sure got hungry reading this post. I can't decide whether I'll have a tart or caviar, perhaps both! Thanks!

Michael said...

Kirk,

As someone who is planning on getting an OM-D, let me just say that I thought your original article was very interesting. I didn't find it insulting at all, and I am a bit confused as to why anyone else did. It just seems odd to me that they feel its ok for them to make value judgments about the cameras they buy (OMD works for them because its worth the $600 to get IBIS, WS, controls, etc, even if the IQ is not necessarily better) but they don't feel that you are entitled to make the same value judgment for yourself.

As far as this article goes, I feel that you should probably give up photography all together, and just go into the business of selling supermodel-lingerie hankies. Not that there is anything wrong with your photography skills, but if you have a source of supermodel-lingerie hankies, it would be a sin not to share them with the world. Plus, it will make you as rich as Croesus.


Regards, Michael

GregRob said...

Hilarious! Thanks for making me smile Kirk.

b1922a84-6164-11e1-b861-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Excellent article, I own a G2 and love it, more so than my Canon 5D mk 2. It's just so much more fun to use.
By the way, where can I get a gold plated IPad. Also do you drive the Bentley or do you have a Chauffeur?

Owen

stefano60 said...

i must thank the cretins who got you so wound up that you felt compelled to write this brilliant piece!

now, for some even more funny entertainment, let me go read THOSE comments on THAT site :-)

ODL Designs said...

Kirk,
If I ever find my way down to Austin, Texas (and I might, as my wife has an old friend there) I will have to buy you a coffee and a few of those jelly doughnuts.

Your blog has been a staple of what little photographic reading I do online, and this post had me laughing away. I enjoy your camera reviews, I enjoy your writing and I enjoy your photos, old and new.

Please keep it up :)

Ab

manthasfamily said...

Kirk,

I first heard of your site from that as you call it redacted web site, and so since I've been thinking about getting the G3 I hopped on over here. Great first article and this one is topping on the cake.

Reading the replies on that site I was wondering if they were reading the same article that I had read. It was reading between the lines at it's best. I replied once and then got so ticked off, as I kept reading, I wanted to reply again asking if they had actually read the article or skimmed through it, but I had been shut out because of post limits. I think they all need a lesson in how to read an article properly.

Anyway, thanks for the great G3 article. I'm going to pick one up. Any thoughts on which lens would be best to take pictures of the Grand Canyon?

Karen C.

LiamC said...

This is absolutely brilliant. Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up.

kirk tuck said...

Karen, Is that a trick question? I was just about to recommend the 14-45 when I realized it might be a trick question. But I think I'd still recommend the 14-45mm kit lens. It seems nice. Maybe I'd take something wider like the 12mm Olympus lens too.

Thanks for the comment about reading comprehension. That was the first thought that came to mind.

Ron Nabity said...

Kirk,

Thanks for putting a smile on my face, more than once. This post made me laugh out loud. After reading said "offensive" post that started the mass hysteria, I went over to my local camera store the other day and picked up the Panasonic G3. Now I can't stop smiling. This camera is an absolute joy to use! The images are beautiful, the controls on the camera are very easy to get used to, (don't care about the "only one" control wheel) the push toggle is very cool.

I guess I'll still hang onto the full-frame camera, mostly for those clients who claim they need all those fat pixels for their web shots, or those who need to see a big camera in my hands to feel good about spending money for photography (sad but true). But the G3 will also play along nicely on these shoots.

Thanks again for the smiles.

Ron

Ron Nabity said...

Oh yeah, along the lines of "don't feed the trolls" and "don't let the bastards grind you down"...

"Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get muddy and the pig likes it."

Raianerastha said...

Kirk...Kirk...Kirk, Kirk Kirk...*sigh* Kirk...

Don't you have enough sense to realize that some people on said website will read this, and despite the broad, obvious and entertaining absurdist strokes you used, assume you have a hidden message and are completely serious?

I've concluded that talking to some people is akin to Gulliver trying to explain to the Lilliputians and Big Endians how to break an egg in the middle. They don't do it correctly, so conclude that Gulliver must be incompetent for even suggesting it.

So too with professional photographers explaining why they like a camera: they don't hit on the points that "enthusiasts" insist "real pros demand" so obviously the pro (you) is full of it.

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mayamocha said...

Jim A., I have the X10 and love it. I bought it because it most closed matched what I needed/wanted in a travel camera. I too was shocked at the amount of hatred out there against those who bought the camera and liked it. However, I had stopped reading DPR forums almost as soon as I started when researching a camera purchase last winter. I really didn't have time to wade through the nonsense of non-moderated poseurs, so I missed the first round on the X10's white dots.
So as I started reading Kirk's post it was deja vu all over again :)
With this "orb defect" when I tried to google for more info, almost every post seemed to lead back to DPR (even if posted elsewhere). That's the sort of thing that raises a red-flag for me. Not that I doubt there is an issue for some users as I've seen some pictures that show them, but I doubt how wide spread it is if I'm not seeing other photo outlets posting it. Most telling is that the camera still lists at List price (or within $20) on Amazon's US site.
Indeed, I do regret the one day I wasted trying to find this hidden defect in my own camera. And then I decided to just keep using the camera. I've had it for three months and have gotten some great photos.
Unfortunately, some online critics can take it too far. Last week, a pro photographer who dare to post good pictures and say nice things about her X10 on her blog had her commercial site taken down by a DNS attack. Sadly, she can't risk her business to these attacks so has chosen not to post anymore about her X10.

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manthasfamily said...

Thanks for replying Kirk, but no it wasn't a trick question. I was wondering about having something wide so I could get a wider shot. I was debating on whether or not to get the camera without the kit lens but you seem to think it's ok so maybe I'll do that also.

Thanks again!

Andrew said...

Actually I do have regrets in my acquisition of a G3. Regrettably, I got a WHITE body when I SHOULD HAVE gotten a black one!!!

In all honesty, while I haven't connected with the G3 like I have with the GF1, I can find no fault with the G3, at all.

Regards,
Andrew

TBan said...

Hilarious! Only downside is I had to go over to [website redacted] to see for myself. I don't think those folks have enough time to actually do photography.

ohnostudio said...

The irony is that half the people over at Redacted Site who engaged will never even have the camera in their hands. For the half that does acquire, they will snap pics of their computer motherboards and bottles of Mountain Dew because they'll never exit the parents' basement for actual daylight.

Your Next Post - Why Holga is Better Than The OM-D ;-) I'd actually rather have you review the Diana, but fewer people are familiar with that one I think.

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quacks said...

Hi Kirk,

gosh I missed this!

I don't quite understand the love for the E-M5 and the hate for the G3.

If the G3 auto-focus had been as good as the V1 for tracking subjects I'd have bought one with the 100-300. If the E-M5 is as good I might buy it.

Of course the image quality of the E-M5 might be a clincher but no one knows.....

put another way I can buy a G3 with a 14 f2.5, 20 f1.7 and 45 f1.8 and have change compared to an Oly E-M5 with kit lens....... what would you rather have?

I wonder is it a case that Olympus is a proper camera company and Panasonic an electronics company.....

Scott said...

Kirk,

I have a whole ton of umbrage that I can let you have cheap.
You know; so you don't have to forage.

dasar said...

For those still interested in pixel peeping ...
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1381/compact-olympus-om-d-e-m5-bruit-electronique-12.html
a very good comparison of the (not so good) IQ of the E-M5 against the one (very good) of G3.

Blaufeld said...

Darn!!!
After having entered the M4/3 world four months ago with an E-PL1, I was about to wait for the OM-D...
But You, dear Sir, swayed me with honeytalk and brought me to the point that I sold my beloved Oly to buy this infernal contraption...
Just today my G3 arrived in my mail and now I know, without even taking a single picture with it, that I MUST sell it on ebay for a loss, and wait to be saved next month by the Mother-of-all-Cameras.
Pox on Ya!!!

lastrounds said...

Ha ha ha, the internet is one crazy place. Just found this post!

I’ve only recently decided to buy an OMD. I hadn’t even heard of the camera before yesterday - so I decided to read a few previews online. I wasn’t prepared for the total shock and amusement created by the ridiculous hype on the internet. What surprised me the most were the attacks on anyone who said a bad thing about the EM5.

The G3 is an amazing camera and a bargain price as well. To be honest, I think most cameras are amazing nowadays. The small degree to which cameras are judged and critiqued is somewhat misleading to consumers. A lot of ‘issues’ may not be that important to you when you actually go out and try a device yourself. And the ‘must haves features’ are sometimes options that will never be used or be important for specific users.

I remember a work colleague who spent thousands on a Canon SLR, and the same again on lenses. He would always give me speeches on the quality of this and that. It was a year later when I discovered that he hadn’t even taken the camera off auto. He never experienced the vast array of features available to him. A few months later he sold it. The device was too advanced for him and he never cared to learn it, but he wanted the best on paper because he considered anything else a waste of money. This is an extreme example of course.

For me… it’s still the OMD. I’m upgrading from a E-P1. I’ve been waiting years for a pen with better image quality. So the EM5 ticks the box, it’s a tad expensive but I’m rewarding my patience ;-)

Do I think the OMD is worth £600 more than the G3… DEFINITELY NOT!
I want the camera because the features it offers and it’s aesthetics appeal to me, and for me this is worth the extra money. Hopefully I can sit pretty for another couple of years before upgrading again! If I were wanting to save on cash though, I’d definitely get the G3!

Bennett said...

Kirk,
You mentioned shooting the track meet with continuous autofocus and I wad curious what the grave rate is with continuous autofocus.

Regards,
Bennett

Bennett said...

Obviously I *was curious what the *frame rate is.

kirk tuck said...

fast enough.