3.01.2025

Oh Yeah. And then there were some color images as well..... Also with an M240, a ZM 28 and a little optical finder in the hot shoe...

 

I think the writing is "on the wall." This building is slated for demolition. I'm sure the entire property will be turned into another high rise office building or condo tower. I guess that's okay but I always thought this building had a lot of character... We'll see what we get down the road...

Another "City of Austin" cooling tower. 

This is the patio at MaƱana Coffee, just north of the Pfluger Pedestrian bridge over Lady Bird Lake (aka: The Colorado River). The shade structure is nice. The coffee is good and it's a nice place to practice my new, and occasional, European (and Canadian) approach to drinking coffee = Be sure to get your drink in a ceramic cup and then weld your damn ass to a chair for the duration. A very strict regimen indeed... No movement of any kind allowed before you get to the dregs at the very bottom of the cup... Sinister? Yeah.


Caution: Human in the background. 
This was the home of Nau's Pharmacy for fifty or sixty years. A neighborhood place. They also had a lunch counter and their hamburgers were beyond acceptable. They made shakes and malts. They are now closed and the property has been sold to yet another ravenous developer who will build some sort of unneeded monstrosity in its place. I took Ben there when he was a kid. He loved the swivel stools at the lunch counter and the squeeze bottles of ketchup. Or "Sauce American." 



Back in the dark ages, when Austin was a much, much smaller town, the city built a series of "Moon Towers" with lights on the very top that shined down across the whole Clarksville neighborhood. A very tall substitute for street lights on "short" poles. This is one of the last ones left. Now covered with inelegant cellphone repeaters and surrounded by power lines. I always wanted to climb one to see the view but heights and my brain don't get along well....


Kind of like a very much smaller Eiffel Tower right there on West Lynn Dr. and 10th Street. 



The area around Nau's Pharmacy is called Clarksville. It's an old neighborhood close to downtown. It was once a very poor area with tiny houses. Now it's roiled by constant upgrading to multimillion dollar homes. The small houses are bought for the land underneath them and immediately purged to make way for far too many square feet of living space....mostly for affluent, childless couples...
Now? Mostly unaffordable. And crowded. And overrun with fancy, trendy cars.

One of the last surviving, original business in Clarksville. Sledd's Nursery. Now run by a second generation. They do wonderful work and have great stuff for gardeners. Or...your gardener. Still, I love the converted Sinclair gas station. I used to live just around the corner when I was on the faculty at UT. Heady days. Little responsibility. Too much fun. Mostly just like now.



Random rock stacking. 

I have no idea. But it's fun.


I'll end my documentation of this stroll with a fantastic truck shot.
Not indicative of the majority of leased cars in the Clarksville neighborhood...

But damn. That was a fun neighborhood to live in 40 years ago. And cheap as dirt back then.





Photographer goes nuts with a 28mm lens and an old, digital rangefinder camera. An afternoon stroll on a sunny day. Much squinting at the rear screen. Lots of guess work.

Yeah. It's tax season and I'll do just about anything to get out of sitting at the desk, going through receipts and bills and trying to make financial sense of what I did all last year. Can I write off coffee? Probably not. Does it matter? Will there be anyone left at the IRS to audit people? I guess I should err on the conservative side and just consider coffee to be something that is required for existence but not depreciable or deductible... The horror!

Actually, I don't have to worry about much of the decision making; I've got a CPA and a CFO who interpret the mess I affectionately call, "bookkeeping." I just have to transfer the funds when they deliver the bad news. But I guess this is old news about life for you, the reader. Probably been here dozens and dozens of times before.

So, after a morning swim and a long time sitting in a chair in front of a six foot long table filled with poorly sorted stacks of paper I thought it was long past time to escape, get in the car, go someplace less...paper-worky. As an afterthought I brought along one of the old rangefinder cameras that's been hanging around the studio. A sturdy, black paint Leica M240. It paired up nicely with a 28mm f2.8 Zeiss Biogon that saw some use earlier in the week. I finished out the kit with a nice, little optical finder (in the hot shoe) sourced from Ricoh and made for the GR series cameras. It's a fraction of the price of the Leica version and does a nice job showing me where the edges of my 28mm frames might be --- even with my eyeglasses on. 

Since it was a bright and color-rich day I felt certain it was a smart thing to proceed on the walk with the camera set to the black and white settings (or, for you elite photo workers = "monochrome"). I've just lately warmed up to 28mm lenses on full frame cameras. Not sure why but I'm not going to fight the urge to go wide. It appears so rarely. 

It was a warm afternoon filled with sunlight. People were out. Music was playing. I stopped by REI to buy a pair of the, "World's Most Comfortable Pants" (Duer's quote, not mine) at the store at 6th and Lamar. It's the first time I have owned $130 pants. Unless, I guess, you count the "trousers" that come with a nice suit. I decided to splurge because I had a member rebate that ate half the cost. And I have to admit that the pants are incredibly comfortable. So comfortable in fact that occasionally I have to glance down to make sure I am still wearing pants. I probably won't make a habit of upgrading my wardrobe with pricy pants but, at 69, I think I can splurge once in a while...

The walk went well. I saw fun stuff and then made it all black and white. 

I read an article on CNN about longevity. I'll be doing myself a favor, they say, by incorporating between 150-300 minutes a week of aerobic exercise. I did the math. An hour swim and a couple hours of walking in one day and I'm over the minimum threshold for the week. I guess I can just sit on the couch and eat bon bons for the next six days!!! 

There is currently a deal on the Panasonic S9 at one of my favorite online camera stores. I'm thinking of buying one. For the same price as a naked S9, for a limited time, I can get a free 20-60mm lens and an 85mm f1.8 lens --- both Panasonics. Seems like a fun addition for a light travel kit. We'll see how I feel about it after pondering the universe for the rest of the afternoon..... But hey. Gotta stay current. Or maybe not. With pants this good does it really matter?

https://shopduer.com/  Just for informational purposes. No affiliation, no special deal. No value back to me. That's a hell of a disclaimer. Just thought you'd want to see some pricy casual pants....

Contrasty, black and white prints below. 



















2.26.2025

There seem to have been so many improvements to the first generation Panasonic S series in the S1Rii that I had to go back and look at some work from the S5.... you know.....to see if it was even a real camera.




It's fun to get all caught up in a new camera announcement; especially if it's from a brand you are predisposed to like. I've owned a lot of Panasonic cameras. Had a blast with two G9 cameras in Iceland. Made a couple dozen work videos with G9s and GH5s...and GH4s....and GH3s.... Made $$$ with the S1, S1R and S1H cameras and even had a blast making photographs with the small, light and highly capable, S5.

At least I remember having a great time and making nice pictures with the S5... But with all the hype surrounding the new S1Rii I had to go back and make sure. 

The S5 was a shrunken version of the S1. A very good 24 megapixel sensor. Rumored to be BSI but never confirmed (that I know of...). A nice back-up for all the other L cameras, etc. 

After reading about the new camera I pulled the S5 out of a drawer and put a lens on it. It's got good "hand feel" and the menus seems pretty simple to me know. The rear screen is nice and bright and the EVF is, at the least, tolerable. I changed out the battery all the while remembering that this was the first full frame, mirrorless camera I worked with that really had decent battery life. Maybe lower res screens and EVFs are a mixed blessing.

So... cheap, small, lightweight, good menus, great sensor, nice lens selection, and straight forward functionality. All for less than a thousand US dollars; new. And that's before I tell you that the camera is capable of recording 4K, 60fps, 10bit video right in the camera. It's nice. Really nice. And a much better value than the S9. Or most of the other "truncated" cameras on the marketing and coming on to the market. 

I bought it four years ago and it now works as the almost permanent camera on my film copying rig. Why? Because it's got a killer multi-shot, high res feature and it's easy to make highly detailed copy shots of black and white and color negatives that rock. All available new, right now for < $1K. 

The downsides? Few. It doesn't have phase detect AF. You won't be enabling C-AF tracking and making perfect tracking videos of a kid running around in circles. Or fast dogs catching frisbees. Well, I guess the camera itself could do those kinds of shots if you took the time to learn how to manually focus and then applied your learning skillfully...

It doesn't have built-in active cooling like the newer Pana cameras but then again I can't say I ever needed it. Even in bright, hot sun the camera has never shut down on me. 

Do I wish the finder was better? Higher res? Sure. But then again would I want to spend an extra $5,0000 for a Leica SL just to get that feature? Assuredly not. The finder works just great as it is.

This is the blue collar camera of the industry. No real "bells and whistles." No product segment leading specs. Just good images onto a full frame sensor with no frills or distractions. Certainly a very worthwhile way to get into making good photos. And videos. Not cutting edge or "state of the art" at this point but a great image maker at a very good (current) price. It's today's camera choice for me. That, and the 28mm Thypoch lens. Time to get out into the sunshine and see what life is gifting us with today.

The S5 is mannequin approved.

The S5 is street photography approved.

The S5 is architecture approved. 




And the S5 is capable of rendering delicious skies.






2.24.2025

Pondering the state of photo-oriented blogging I stood over my kitchen sink and made a black and white photograph to assuage the ennui....

 



I was wasting time on a cold, gray morning last week. I needed to do a few boring and mundane tasks. Things like tallying up expenses to report to my accountant for the upcoming tax return. Or making sure a particular outdoor faucet was dripping so as to prevent pipes from freezing and bursting. Or cleaning up my breakfast dishes.

In the past I would have "more" productively wasted time by going to one of a number of well written blogs to read about cameras, lenses, print making, workshop experiences, photographer profiles, lighting techniques or, most excitedly, to read about actual photography jobs and how one of my peers interpreted the brief and then handled the actual process. 

Most of those good, hands-on excerpts from working photographers' lives are long gone. Blogs have ceased to be profitable adventures for most and many photographers ended up being uncomfortable and slow at the process of writing. Youtube seems to have stolen the limelight for the past five or six years and the bloggers that remain seem incompetent or unwilling to make a transition in that direction. And I'm not sure I blame them since many of us, of a certain age, would rather read material at our own pace than be dragged, mercilessly, through a lot of personal sidebars and tangents before getting to the "meat" of a YouTube presentation. A long journey for sometimes sparse rewards. 

As I thought about this I wondered what it was about the written blogs that was responsible for their diminishing readership. Their decline. It seems to me that when the content goes far afield from the promised topics (photography, art,  more photography, art photography) the interest in a day's blog gets divided. If one writes about sewing quilts instead of lighting models it can only be expected that fewer people will be interested in the subject, fewer comments will be posted and some readers will even wander off. Permanently. Especially after being subjected to a pride of off topic onslaughts.

Even worse, I think, are the posts where the owner writes too personally about life's regrets or life's perceived slights. Anecdotes about the writer's disconnected past induce a soporific unmooring of once allegiant fans. And exposes the weaknesses of the creator in a venue where people are supposedly looking for strength of thought and focused purpose. 

It would be nice, I think, if blogs about photography could stay on track. I'm sure I'm guilty of some of these affronts to some degree. Probably far fewer of you wish to read more about swimming. At least far fewer of you than I wish are fans of aquatics.... But I try to provide a lopsided selection if I can. At least 90% related to, directly or indirectly, photography. The use of a cameras. The evolution of styles. The news of an industry in which we share a primary interest. 

I ended up reading an old post I'd written over a decade ago. It was, at least, about the business of photography and not about the polished metal knobs on my old gas range. But even those could be rescued if I provided an interesting photograph of the knobs and a quick story about why and how I chose to photograph them. Ah well. We can only hope for better times...

It's sunny today. I can just go outside instead of reading any blogs at all. The tax stuff can wait...for a while.





Random thoughts about gear craving/hoarding/coveting in modern times. Coinciding with the announcement of another super-cool camera from Sigma. Which I will probably vow never to own only to pick one up a month later...

 

Sigma announced a new camera today. It's called the BF (as in "best friend"???) and the whole concept is about making it simple. More simple. Most simple. It's an L mount product so it accepts all the L lenses from Leica, Panasonic and, of  course, Sigma. It's got a full frame, 24 megapixel sensor, a built in memory of 256 GB, one USB-C port and damn few buttons or physical controls. No IBIS. No EVF. Carved out of a solid block of aluminum (a process which is reported to require seven hours per camera...). And...no mechanical shutter. The asking price in the USA, for the silver or black finish (no lens) is right at $2,000.

I'm sure everyone here will rush out and buy one...

We read about Gear Acquisition Syndrome on every photo or camera blog, v-log, channel, website or podcast extant. Everyone constantly gear-shames people who want to have more than one camera; more than one lens or more than one anything photographic. It's almost as if some leading, charismatic influencer proclaimed on Digital Equipment Review dot Com over twenty years ago this set of understandings: 

1. Every camera should be able to handle all kinds of assignments, genres of photography, styles of photography without exception. Any camera that isn't a de facto Swiss Army knife of capabilities is a failure and any divergence from being fully packed with features shall make that example of camera both a "failure" and a "deal killer." From sports, to portraits to large still life images writ enormous, and even to space exploration it shall be a given that a successful camera will do everything. Completely. Freestanding. You know, like demanding that an athlete be an excellent jockey, a world class basketball player and a champion weight lifter all in one. You know, the way most athletes already are.

2. A second understanding is that one camera body and one camera body style will be designed to fit everyone's hand perfectly. From a hand that can palm a small car to the delicate hand of a small child a successful camera will fit each with perfect haptics and happiness. 

3. The third and most popular web corollary shall be that no camera should have a price that exceeds the amount that a person who makes mimimum wage can afford in any given year. Any camera that is more expensive shall be declared "Veblen" and stricken from all catalogs and consideration. We might also declare these offending products to be "luxe" or "over the top" or "insanely pricey" and we shall shun them like the plague. The are symbols of financial inequality. Talismans of greed and avarice. 

4. One must embrace the camera he or she has purchased and use it for a period no shorter than four years with no thoughts of "upgrading" or "trading in." To do so is a corruption of the order of the photographic universe. A camera should be good for at least the duration of two of the manufacturer's upgrade cycles otherwise a premature change should be called out as "indulgent." 

So, here's the real reason for G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome). Availability and opportunity. For centuries something like 98% of most populations had nothing like the income that most of the middle classes of the present enjoy. In the past men lived short lives; maybe half the lifespan of today's average specimen, and most of their time was spent acquiring food, shelter and heat. And none of these things was of the quality enjoyed by the vast majority today. The worked, ate what was in season and available, and then died of gum disease, on the job, by the time they were 40. Today, men have much, much more leisure time and live, on average in the USA, to about 76 years of age. If they forego hundred thousand dollar Cyber-Trucks, yearly large screen TV upgrades and eating every meal outside the house just about anyone can afford their choice of camera today.

The denizens of the 19th century weren't nearly as lucky in as much as there was no large scale access to personal cameras. And cameras of the time were costly, relatively speaking. We can almost all afford a camera these days,  if we are working adults. The working adults who struggle with low pay don't have the luxury of prioritizing camera purchases with their budgets but the techie workers who dominate forae and feeds on the web can. And often those specimens spend more money on pizza and diet Coke each month than the average dentist spends on Leicas in a year. 

I have G.A.S. but I do not suffer from GAS. I rationalize camera and lens purchase as product acquisitions that will make it easier or faster, or easier and faster, to make a good photograph or complete a complex photographic job. It's a good rationalization when it comes to working photographers because any advantage that can be explained to a client can be "profit-ized" to the benefit of the photographer. We also find that some cameras are well suited to using with flash for event work where other cameras with higher image quality are better able to achieve their potential in the studio. Still other cameras are better at making videos but poorer at making big, delicious raw files. Some lenses with very special characteristics are only available for certain camera lens mounts. And while some cameras are small and light enough to work with drones those cameras wouldn't be a first choice to make huge point of purchase, print images that will be commercially printed and seen, close up, as life-sized promotions. 

I have one camera that does amazing images at very high ISOs. Come to think of it I have three different cameras that do great high ISO work. But they are limited to about 24 megapixels. That's fine for most work but when I do jobs for advertising clients who might want exacting photos at very high resolutions, for big print jobs, I find that it's easier to make sellable images with cameras that have twice or more resolution than the low light champs. Should I restrict myself to one or the other because of someone else's perception of how many cameras a person should own? Not likely.

I have big cameras with big lenses that are perfect for carefully controlled jobs, the likes of which must be lit and carefully composed. That's work. But I would never take those big cameras and lenses out on the streets to shoot casual images spontaneously. They draw too much attention. Require too much energy to carry around all day. Change the dynamic between subject and photographer. Rather, quick street snaps are usually better done for me with smaller cameras like rangefinders and fixed lens compact cameras. Cameras I would not be comfortable pressing into service for serious studio work. 

I have friends who love to use large format cameras for "Ansel Adams-like" landscape work but who swear by their Leica Q2 cameras for family vacations and casual, walking around photography. Some even have other, medium format digital cameras for everything in between. 

But these are the more practical considerations of the question. How different is it for hobbyists, enthusiasts, artists, etc.? 

There are many out among us who would prefer working in one style all the time and for them one camera at a time seems to be the way they proceed. But even in that group there are plenty who want to make sure that the camera they use for making art, memories and documentation is the optimum solution for doing their work. Just as in cars, air conditioning, running shoes and so much more, improvements, ACTUAL improvements in gear are being made all the time. A person who started photographing digitally with one of the finer cameras around the turn of the century would have to work hard to make images at settings beyond ISO 100 to get results with low noise. The worker with a $7,000 Kodak DCS 760C camera who needs portability can do much better now by jettisoning the five pound load out of camera, batteries and one lens of the Kodak for a one pound Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc. camera now. 

A photographer who needed big files for big work ten years ago might have had to work hard and long with multiple composited frames or spend much time working with noise reduction and enlarging/interpolating software programs of the day. Now? 60 to 100 megapixel cameras are available for less money (and with much better overall results) than my 6 megapixel cameras from circa 2001-2006.

And then there are the ancillary benefits for relentless camera improvement. When Leica improved the EVF in their SL line of camera they moved from 4 meg finder to a nearly 6 meg finder but they also moved from LCD to LED which made for faster refresh times and better colors. What photographer would not find that sort of upgrade valuable? 

Cameras used to be considered normal even if they "only" had one card slot. Now they are the odd man out if they don't have two fast card slots. Would it be worthwhile indulging GAS to gain a reliable back-up of everything you shoot? Of course. 

I also remember that not too long ago only the priciest sports oriented, pro cameras from Nikon and Canon were weather resistant while that feature is now almost always a part of nearly every good camera's engineering. By the same token, if you have been using a Canon camera for video and it overheated all the time would you consider it silly to upgrade to the newer model that mostly fixes that thermal fault?

If you have a Sony camera and you hate the labyrinth approach to menus would you scold yourself if Sony totally changed the menus to the point that you didn't need to carry around the owner's manual on your phone and it only required you to upgrade to a slightly newer camera? And would anyone blame you for switching systems if you accidentally handled a Leica SL3 and then were forced to go back and live through the relentless horror of the Sony menus again? Or the older Olympus menus? You might find that your G.A.S. was really your subconscious's way of telling you that photographic life could be much better!

Conversely, if you shoot video and you're trying to use C-AF in a Leica SL to follow a moving object while shooting video you might consider that Sony camera as a vital upgrade instead of a GAS effect. 

But the real origin of G.A.S., if we consider the GAS to mean an accumulation of gear, or a turnover of new gear, lies in the early age of the home computer. We used those ugly beige boxes with those damn SCSI interfaces to do tasks that we used to do with calculators and typewriters. But they were slow, unreliable and costly. Each generation, following the fantasy of Moore's Law, got faster, cheaper and easier to use. Upgrading to new gear bought you back time. You were able to save quicker, print quicker,  and perform the usual tasks quicker. And each new generation got more reliable.  If one was in a challenging occupation and your job was time-performance driven, you got into the habit of upgrading whenever an improvement showed up. Faster processors. Bigger memory solutions. Nicer, bigger monitors and much more. Sure, there were and will always be geeks who just got off to the ever improving specs but most users changed models or sub systems to gain performance advantages. 

And most of the early adopters and serial computer upgraders were men. And what is the majority of the demographic of camera buyers? Well, it's men. And since cameras are products that are perceived, at the professional level, as being costly, the market, over time has skewed to service higher earners with more eduction. A segment of the market that was pre-trained by the computer makers to understand and welcome the upgrade game with relish. 

A writer in Santa Fe might have struggled to get the files he wanted from one system that did a lot of advertising but found themselves behind the curve when it came to implementing features the writer felt he needed. He looks to another camera maker and finds some advantages in their products. If he's writing best sellers and is financially comfortable the upgrade to a new, better-for-him system might be an almost infinitesimal percentage of his overall net worth. Give that his time is very valuable having the camera and lenses that make the most of his time is financially and emotionally sound. And some times it takes months of long experience before one discovers that a certain way of working in one camera just flat pisses him off...but it might take time with a new system to become comfortable with it. If he makes the leap and the new camera shaves off the angst of the one thing he hated about the previous camera then GAS has delivered a fundamental benefit to him as it's pushed him to have better. To have better to do better. And to be more satisfied with the end products. The photographs.

There are endless curmudgeons out in the world who would insist that you find yourself one camera, one lens and one system and then spend the rest of your time learning to love the system. About as logical as trying to teach left handed people to only write with their right hands... And almost as cruel. 

The curmudgeons aren't correct. They are fossilized into doing something over and over again in the same way because they can't be bothered with continuous learning. And I sure hope one of them isn't your heart surgeon whose only tool is a scalpel. Technology moves on. In almost every field. 

On another topic that goes hand in hand with these is the topic of why someone might buy more than one of an identical camera model. As in, "why in God's name do you have X number of SL2 cameras???"  My instant analogy goes to clothing. If you find the perfect pair of walking shoes; ones that make you feel like you could comfortably walk forever, you know that eventually they will wear out. They all do. You love the shoes you bought but when the holes in the soles go all the way to your socks you know it's time to change shoes. You go back to your favorite shoe store only to find that the pair/model of shoes you really came to love has been discontinued. Replaced. Redacted. And the new model chaffs your Achilles tendon and pinches your baby toe on your left foot. In short, they are nothing like the model you loved for hundreds or even thousands of miles. Now you start the long and mostly fruitless search for another pair you can tolerate. And, of course, inflation makes all the shoes, even the shitty ones, seem that much more expensive. 

But... what if....after owning the original pair of really wonderful shoes for say...a month...you decided to go back to the store and buy one or two more pairs of the same, indentical model and size of shoe? What if you had them dutifully stored in your closet just waiting for the inevitable decline of the first pair? My God! You'd be thrilled. 

Owning multiple cameras is like that. And for the working pro it's exactly like having two memory cards in a camera or an extra battery in your bag. Cameras break. Cameras fail. Cameras get stolen. If you are on a job it's just logical to have an identical back-up camera to use to finish the job. Why identical? Because it's the model you are used to and can be most efficient and effective with. And wouldn't you be sad if you only had one and it was destroyed in a rock crushing machine and you went to the camera store to replace it only to be told that....the model has been discontinued. Replaced. 

If you had your in-bag back up and another one sitting on the shelf in your office you could fend off having to undertake the new camera/new model learning curve till sometime in the far future. And, when it comes to cameras, even if you wanted to upgrade immediately to replace your destroyed camera how crestfallen you and your potential clients might be to discover that the logical, new upgrade cameras are relentlessly back-ordered and inaccessible for up to a year. Would you just take that year off instead? Or accept that you'd have to shoot for the year on a brand you didn't like nearly as much? I sure wouldn't like that. 

Finally, it's all about personal priorities and personal circumstances. A person with a high net worth would not have to worry about the price of a Hasselblad or Phase One camera. Or the top of the line Sony. Or a Leica. For some very affluent people those price tags are a rounding error. 

But what if you aren't as well off? Interesting analogy with cars. I bought a really, really nice and high performing new car last year for $36,000. The average new car price in the USA now is a bit over $50,000. Most people radically over buy when it comes to transportation. Big, SUVs. No fun to drive but with lots of space for ever larger rear ends. Imagine how many cameras the average Ford Explorer or Range Rover driver could afford if they had chosen to buy a more practical, economical car. A $25,000 Toyota Corolla would last longer, be easier to park, maintain and drive, and would, as a percentage of purchase price, be worth more when sold used. $25,000 extra dollars (even more with lower insurance costs, gas costs, loan interest, etc.) could buy you years of camera purchases. Either purchased because you just wanted something new to goose your passion for photography or because you found you really needed a new feature, upgrade, etc. It's all choices and priorities. 

For some people it's important to own cameras that they THINK will make them better photographers. As my favorite Jedi Knight said, in the Movie, The Phantom Menace, "Your focus determines your reality." Sometimes a placebo camera can be just as effective a cure for photographer's block as anything else. And a far better use of wasted money than most SUVs. 

Finally, It's nice to have a few extra cameras around for those times when your son, niece, nice guy neighbor, is going somewhere wonderful and needs to borrow a decent camera. Might as well share...