11.10.2017

The battle between two inexpensive, highly portable, big battery powered electronic flash units. Who wins?





Flashes started to be fun again when normal sized, shoe-mount flashes started sporting rechargeable lithium-ion battery packs and providing great performance for what would once have been considered to be pocket change. I bought a small selection of Godox and Neewer branded flashes to make a thoroughly reliable and professional, barebones flash system for those times when my subjects have to be lit but I have to be able to carry everything into the shoot in a backpack. Coupled with great triggers those flashes do their part and even serve extra duty by working as additional background lighters in shoots that call for full white backgrounds. The lithium batteries go a long way toward making convenient lights packed with the power to go through hour long shoots with aplomb. 

But just when I settled down and accepted that there would still be times when I might need the 500 watt seconds put out by my "plug in the wall" Photogenic monolights, or my remaining Elinchrom 500 watt second monolights, I happened to come across the Godox AD200 (a model sold under a handful of different company names...). Here was, seemingly, the best of both worlds. It's a flash that kicks out 200 watt seconds of power and comes with a fun accessory; an interchangeable bare bulb head. Why should you like a bare bulb head? It's probably the perfect way to evenly fill a big softbox.

The AD200 is just a little bit bigger than a conventional hot shoe flash and it's also a bit weightier. It can be used across multiple systems with dedicated remotes for each camera system. The remotes deliver TTL control and high speed sync capabilities. If you venture across multiple systems you can pick up remote  radio triggers for each of the major camera systems for about $50 each. If you use the conventional flash head, which resembles a typical camera mounted flash, you can even make use of a built-in LED modeling light. It's not incredibly powerful but it beats working in the dark....

The benefits of the AD200 are that it packs a lot of power into a small package. That, and the use of a big, robust rechargeable battery pack, convinced me to pick one up for the princely sum of $300. I still think it's a good deal and it's joined my extreme portable flash system as the main light, which I use in a big Phottix 47 inch octabox. 

After using it on a number of projects (We're currently gearing up for job #86 for the year....and we've got a lot booked between now and the end of the year...) I was ready to take the plunge and buy one or two more with the idea of finally getting rid of the plug in the wall dinosaurs. Side note: there is profound pleasure, after years of taping down electrical cables for safety, at not having to find a wall socket and run extension cords in order to put a flash somewhere. Trust me, it's a big deal. 

As I was getting ready to order I glanced around the consumerverse at Amazon just to see what else was available. It was then that I came across the second flash in this review, the Neewer Vision 4. 

This flash is configured and sized like a conventional, traditional mono light with a Bowens mount for reflectors and speed rings. It's got a nice LCD panel on the back along with rational controls and is easy as pie to set up and understand. It comes with its own Bowens mount, standard reflector and a small, dedicated flash trigger. Nothing fancy on the trigger --- it's totally binary; put it on your camera and it will trigger the flash when your camera fires. It does have four groups so you can use multiple Vision 4 flashes and fire them on four different channels. Or you can put them all on the same channel and fire them at the same time. There's no TTL control and no power ratio control on the remote. The flash doesn't feature TTL mode either but that hardly matters to me. We've been using manually set flashes for nearly 40 years now and we finally know our way around the use of a flash meter....

The Neewer unit (spell check hates that extra "e".....) weighs in at four pounds and has a removable lithium ion battery that fits into the body of the flash in what I think is a very nicely done design. The flash unit is being touted in their online advertising as having been: "Designed in Germany." And I do find it more elegant and solid than most of the lower priced flashes. This unit also uses a low powered LED as a modeling light. 

Attention: As is the case with most battery powered units the modeling light on this unit only stays lit for approximately 30 seconds. If you want to see it again you have to hit the modeling light switch. This is the single flaw in what would otherwise be a perfect, low cost studio light!!! There must be a way around it....

So, when it comes right down to it which flash wins? Right off the bat I'll say that if you don't need to relentlessly miniaturize the stuff in your life I'd go with the Neewer unit, hands down. Using the Godox AD200 with a softbox or octabox requires a second stand adapter with its own speed ring adapter to mount up everything. The unit is commendably compact and so far has proven to be reliable but that smaller form factor means less effective heat dissipation, and every now and then the flash pauses to recover from overhead (we're talking about brief, one or two minute pauses after over 100 quick, half power flashes; it's less heat sensitive with the bare bulb head mounted. But there it is....). Also, the mounting accessory to put the Godox AD200 on a light stand needs a lock washer between the mounting stud and the flash body to keep the flash from unintentionally swiveling on its mount. Finally, while you gain some automation in the form of TTL and high speed sync the LCD panel is smaller and much less intuitive.

But here's the big deal: When I bought the AD200 I thought it was fairly priced for the amount of power and flexibility one received. It was $300. I spent an additional $25 on dedicated reflectors and diffusers as well as another $20 on a soft box adapter. 

When I bought my first Neewer Vision 4 unit it came with a very robust, integrated stand connector which can also double as an "off-stand hand grip" if you wanted to have an assistant hand hold the rig and position it for you as you shoot this is perfect. It also came with the standard Bowens type reflector. And the remote trigger. The total price at the time was $259. After using it to do a number of headshots last night with a big octabox I decided, finally, that I liked it so much that I actually would replace all of the last century A/C powered mono lights I've accumulated and use two of these as my main lights and the AD200 as a background or accent light. When I went to order another unit I discovered that the current price is, right now, an amazing $219

I'm honestly a bit astounded. I've paid much more for much, much worse flashes. I paid nearly $600 for a recent Nikon flash (model number repressed by my memory of its horrible-ness) that overheated if you shot more than 10 full power flashes in a row. It would shut down completely and you had to remove the batteries and let the unit cool for ten full minutes before it recovered from it's diva swoon. 
Try using a piece of sh*t like that for a critical client event...

Then there was a similar Sony equivalent made around the time of the original a99. It was a complete stinker as well. And equally expensive. 

So, to be able to buy a much more powerful flash, the battery of which will deliver up to 700 full power flashes at 300 watt seconds before the need for a recharge, with no dramatic, mid-shoot swooning or sissy behavior, for a mere $219 is amazing to me. I have cables that cost more. The performance, pricing and power of the Neewer Vision 4 makes it an incredible bargain. 

I did purchase a second unit. I clicked the link yesterday evening and should see it arrive on Monday. I'll charge the battery and put the new flash through its paces but I'm confident it will be a real winner. 

Given the choice between these two units I would always pick the bigger Vision 4 unit. The one exception would be times were I need to carry everything by myself ---- for long distances --- then I think I'd consider bringing along the AD200 as a main light. But I might just default to one of the many fine, smaller, but no less capable units I own, like the one at the bottom of the page. It delivered the goods at last week's gala. The light was sweet. 




Stunned by a price drop to $219. A reflection of people having too many choices?
Or not enough advertising on the part of the vendor?
No bad reviews.....except one person who could not be bothered to read the specs....




10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this review!

bill

Paul Gero said...

Kirk,
That Neewer looks great, though the only downside to me is that it can't adjust power from the camera with the remote...I just like that convenience...just saves steps and reaching for the light if it's up high.

But, I do like the fact that it has a very high flash duration -- faster than the Godox.

The reason I stick with the Godox is that it's a cohesive flash ecosystem -- speedlight, medium light (ad200), and bigger power battery strobe (ad600, which is just okay...hopefully it'll be improved next year) and a new trigger that allows you to do what hold a button in while using TTL and it sets the strobe for manual ... a great and fast way to input a manual value without having to meter like days of old. It's called the TCM...and that transmitter is going to cost about $70!

We're so spoiled for choice these days with strobes and thank goodness...the days of wired strobes are pretty much over for me, as far as I can tell.

Great review!

Paul

Brandon Scott said...

Kirk, as an avid reader of your Minimalist Lighting, how about recommendations for such a kit today using the new flashes? Best triggers? Best light modifiers? You know this stuff better than almost anyone and you are not afraid to experiment. Thanks, Brandon Scott

Wally said...

There is a slightly more expensive version with an extra battery. Totally manual forces you to know how to set up and configure lights which is a good thing to know.

Peter said...

Hate to be pedantic (but I am!). I believe the AD200 is powered at 200 Watt.seconds, or 200 W.S and not 300 W/S. (The number and the units are both wrong.) The Vision unit is 300 Watt.Seconds, not 300 Watts.

OK, sorry. Now I have that off my chest I can read the rest of the article.
Peter Wright (retired EE)

Peter said...

OK read the article now. I agree that if you're setting up a studio the Neewer would be the way to go – certainly at that price. For myself, I went with the Godox (spell checker hates Godox as well...). I have two AD200, one V860ii, and the Olympus/Panasonic trigger X1, together with a collection of modifiers. I prefer the flexibility of the AD200; being able to choose the standard head or the bare bulb, (the TTL, HSS options can be useful as well), and being able to include the small units into the mix at will. I also like the fact that it is much smaller – both for 'travel' and because I don't want to look like I've just carted a full-on studio with me into someone's workplace or home. (And no one pays me to do this.) Anyhow, hard to go wrong at these prices and performance.

I have had similar experience to you with the Nikon units that need a ten minute time out after just a few shots. (This can get you into trouble even with your family members, never mind on a paid shoot!). I can't imagine how the camera makers are going to keep selling their own over priced flash units from now on, or how the big studio flash makers will stay in business (at least at the lower end of the market).
Peter Wright

Kirk Tuck said...

Thanks Peter. Now corrected. KT

D S said...

Kirk, check out Amazon for the 'Godox S-Type Adapter with Bowens mount' for around $18. That's what most of us use to mount the AD200 and speedlights shaped strobes etc to most modifiers. We just ignore the adapter that comes with the AD200. It has a Bowens mount adapter ofcourse and a hole for umbrella style modifiers as well.

Also check out the AD-B2. That allows you to team 2 AD200's together for 400ws of power when you need it. Still can't beat the price of the Neewer but at least it gives you the option of staying in system.

Gato said...

You almost sold me a new light. Almost. If the Neewer had remote power control I would have gone for it. I like saving the steps, but the really nice thing about remote is when the light is too high to reach or angled so I cannot see the display.

A few weeks back I offered my ancient AC monolights for sale at a cut-rate price. Luckily there were no takers because since then I have twice needed the modeling lights -- not for modeling but for autofocus. Two sessions in two different locations where the ambient light was too low for accurate focus. And I expect to do more sessions in both locations.

I'm hoping to go to all battery power soon. I have used a small video light for focusing and it's OK, but still it's an extra battery to keep up with and limited run time. Guess I'll keep the AC jobs around a while longer.

Wataru Maruyama said...

Amazing to find out about this Neewer model. I've added to my Xmas list and will definitely use your link when it's time to purchase;)