9.14.2022

I was told in a comment that pros overwhelming use Nikon and Canon gear and that Leica users are "B" team. No mention of Sony?

 

Made with a dinosaur camera and lens. The Nikon D810 and the 80-200mm f2.8.

People tend to get stuck at whichever point in time they seriously entered into photography. That makes sense; people are most comfortable with what they think they know. They are less comfortable with facts that point out how the world has changed since they acquired whatever knowledge they persist in relying upon. 

Is a fat SUV with a big V-8 motor really faster off the line than a Tesla S? Is a Nikon D850 really a sharper and better camera than a Sony Alpha One? Is coal the ultimate power source? Are we still cranking out large, glossy color brochures on thick, premium paper? Do we care at all which camera someone else is using?

Photographers, like nearly everyone else, tend to be tribal. They embrace the ethos of the tribe and then part of their sub-routine of life is to fly the flag of their tribe whether it's right or wrong. It's more important to remain within the tribe than to try new things and risk being cast out. 

If you tap on the shoulder of most people who've been in the photo industry as photographers for a decade or two you'll find their understanding about what tools content creators use in real business is more or less ossified and set to the standards they learned on entry.

I wrote a blog post talking about firmware updates for the Leica SL2, which is a camera I own and use for a bunch of different commercial projects. It's a good camera with an easy to navigate menu and a color palette that's more pleasing to me than the Canons or Nikons I've used (amply) in the past. I knew a fair number of photographers here use Leicas and would be interested in the information. But one photographer was not at all interested. And he or she let me know. His/her argument being that (and I'm paraphrasing here): most professionals use Nikon and Canon and most of us don't give a "hoot" about Leica news. 

I hate to tell him/her but....professional photographers are a tiny, tiny segment of the camera market (far less than 1%) and no one really gives a flying fuck anymore about what "pros" use. No even the pros. The diehard Canon fans of yesteryear, who work professionally seem to have found a nicer home in the Sony camp. Sony users who've tired of the Sony color palette and atrocious menus seem to have found a welcoming tribe over in the Nikon camp and the "real" professionals have long since moved on from DSLRs and small sensor cameras altogether, transitioning (as they probably should) to medium format digital cameras from Hasselblad, Leica and especially (because of the price advantages) to Fuji. Can you really hold your head up and call yourself a "professional photographer" if you aren't currently using MF? (sarcasm implied).

Well sure. Because with the exception of wedding photography and event photography a huge swath of actual business photography is being done now by people who don't really identify as "professional photographers" but are multi-disciplinary "content creators." These are the people who work in marketing departments, in-house a large companies, and at huge advertising agencies across the world. They create the majority of images that are used for commercial advertising and.....I'm sorry to tell you....but many of them use their smart phones to create images for their clients. 

Why? Because, if you disregard broadcast television and radio formats, the main target for most ads now is web advertising and social media. It's mostly going onto the internet. And given that most users are seeing the end results on the screens of iPhones and Android phones there is no technical reason to use any of the cameras our generation learned on and coveted. Their reign is over. Except for that tiny percentage of advertising photographers who are still called on to shoot big campaigns the likes of which have multiple uses across multiple formats, including print. You know, the guys who are using the big MF cameras because they are the ones who have the clients who can pay for them and uses that might actual still demand ne ultra plus technical quality. For everyone else? There's an iPhone. Or somebody else's phone. 

Today's ad agencies are filled with young people who've grown up using stock images and making composites and adjustments in post processing. Once web ad placement crested 75% of their total usage of photos, and their targets stabilized at approx. 4K resolutions, just about any camera they could get their hands on that was near 12 megapixels filled the bill nicely. These folks are hyper proficient in dropping out backgrounds, creating artificial but believable bokeh and piecing together the reality they want to see in an ad. But mostly they are now transitioning more and more to quick videos. Another area where Canon and Nikon are just now catching up to Sony (in non-dedicated video capable cameras) and an area where smart phones really shine for just about anything that's web use. 

So, if the majority of content for commercial intent is generated by smart phones is it really true that "professional photographers" only use Nikon and Canon? Of course not. Not anymore than most taxi drivers drive F-150 pick-up trucks. Or that most professional caterers serve Big Macs. Or that fashion models source their wardrobes from Walmart. 

It's funny that the commenter took a swipe at Leica, saying that their users are the "B" team. But that's such a subjective thing that I'll just ignore it and soldier on, remembering that when I entered the stream of professional photography the only photographers who didn't have or want a Leica were the ones who could not afford them. Today, at least with their camera bodies, Leica's prices are right in line with the top of the line cameras from N&C. They just look and feel better and have nicer menus and better color. But I guess that doesn't matter.

Sure, there are still people making a living with older DSLRs and such, and the latest rash of high resolution single purpose cameras. It takes time to turn a glacier around. And yes, there are still projects that benefit from larger, more potent cameras but.....

The owner of this particular blog is currently using a handful of cameras from Leica so, logically, you're going to see samples shot with those cameras, articles written about using those cameras, and even posts that note additions to the capabilities of those cameras. If all this is as agonizing as broken glass in one's eyes to you then this might not be the blog you want to read. "These are not the droids you are looking for...."

comment at will, I'm feeling feisty today. And I have the power of moderation. 



29 comments:

TMJ said...

Jane Barlow, a Press Association photographer, took the last few photographs of the Queen, two days before the Queen passed away. She used a Sony with a Sony lens.

hwulff said...

Great Post.

I started out with a Yeshiva 44LM. Strangely enough, I've moved on, through Leica, Konica, Cambo, Sinar, Nikon, Noblex, Roundshot, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Leica anew and yes, iPhone. All good.

My professional career involved shooting with all of those except the iPhone. Not because it isn't 'good enough' but because I didn't upgrade to a reasonably good one until 5 years ago, and by then I stopped taking assignments.

adam said...

sony features heavily in the pro video space of course...

Kirk, Photographer/Writer said...

Hi Adam, Canon has been making inroads in the mid-tier of the professional video space as well. Nikon is just now becoming competitive in the consumer space.

all the cameras are good now. Some are better.

Frank Grygier said...

Leica is going mainstream: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1712077-REG/godox_xproii_l_leica.html

Kirk, Photographer/Writer said...

Thanks Frank. I need one of those. Now I want Godox to make a Leica dedicated hot shoe flash!!!

SW Rick said...

Right on, brother! Keep the Faith!

Mitch said...

All serious pros use full frame, too. None of that crop stuff. Can't possibly shoot a professional photo unless your lens resolves the correct lines/mm and the correct (exclusively massive) number of megapixels are employed. And all autofocus is judged by the birds-in-flight metric.

Keep up all this Leica talk and I will speak to management and demand a refund of my Second/B-Tier Blog Reader Membership Fee.

Kirk, Photographer/Writer said...

We've got the refunds going out in the mail...

David said...

But tell us what you really think Kirk 😉
You should have corrected them, no Leica is for the A roll, or Panasonic. The B roll team member is your Sigma Fp.

I don't know what most professional photographers use, I don't think anyone really knows. Are there still professional photographers? Have the mom's with a camera replaced them? Or maybe the AI software has now. You can type text into the Nvidia gaugan package and get reasonable images back as a starting point for most crazy Ad ideas.
Just grab a camera and have some fun. Who cares who else uses it, or do people need reassurance on their camera choice?

karmagroovy said...

Nikon, Canon, Leica? Nope, Nope, Nope. All the pros (except for sports and wildlife) are gonna being using the new Apple 14 Pro baby! ;-)

Chris Kern said...

Kirk: People tend to get stuck at whichever point in time they seriously entered into photography.

People tend to get stuck at whichever point in time they entered into anything, wot? I figure kids should always be able to walk a few blocks to school, a car should cost $3K, and your banker should be your next-door neighbor. Your doctor should be a sole practitioner who makes house calls on short notice and household appliances should last 30 years.

A camera? Well, if you’re not using the one you received on your ninth birthday, that’s probably because your father bequeathed his beloved rangefinder to you—along, no doubt, with a large trove of leftover Pan-X film.

Gilly said...

I have been using cameras with a 4/3 sensor since 2008, should I wipe my hard drives, remove my prints from the walls and lament all those wasted years?

adam said...

it's interesting to see the goings on with 8k, fuji seem to be the first to have it at a prosumer price point and they may well be putting it in their entire next gen line up, well there is that 48mp iphone you mentioned, kai wong said "they haven't got much to lose", in that they don't have a pro camera line to cannibalise sales of, uk distributor for atomos said the same to me about nikon, they were very quick to add 12 bit video support in the z7 I think it was, making it a paid firmware update that people had to return their cam to nikon for probably wasn't the best idea

personally I'd like the stacked fuji sensor in more of their cams but they might be saving it for the higher end ones, I suppose that'll come in time, hopefully with weather sealing as standard too

Rob said...

My first "real" digital camera was a bog-standard Canon Rebel.

Went out for a walk in Chicago with it and an hour in I heard someone shouting "Nikon!!!" at me. Turned around and saw a CTA bus driver hanging out the driver's side window wagging his finger at me as he drove off. Ruefully thought: "Did I just enter into some kind of gangland turf war."

I guess I kinda did...

Nigel H said...

Oh dear...so what. If they don't like what you write about Kirk, they don't have to read it.
And surely, whether we are a professional or not (I'm not), our camera gear is a means to an end ie the images we produce. We also need to know about said gear. But I think for some people, the gear is the end in itself, manifested by really really dull photos...which transforms into a macho thuggish attitude to others who have different views on cameras.
Sounds like your correspondent needs a lot of Prozac......keep on writing!

Anonymous said...

I made a lot of money with a twin-lens Mamiya C330. It had zero card slots, battery life was nil, no tracking autofocus, autoexposure was not dependable, it shot 1 frame per second, zero color science, viewfinder almost invisible in a moderately lit room, with file sizes so massive it could only take 12 or 24 shots per load.

Should I refund my clients' money?

eric said...

I am never sure when I hear people speak about pro photographers who exactly they are referring to, I suppose it’s wedding photographers, product photographers, fashion or professional portrait photographers, et cetera. As someone whose main interest is in the horribly titled fine art photography, the kind you might see in a major large city photography gallery or a contemporary art museum from photographers such as Dido Moriyama, Uta Barth, Wolfgang Tillmanns, Stephen Shore, Andreas Gursky, Anders Petersen, just to pedantically name a few, the thought any of them would say A Level photographers use CanNikon is laughable. I guess it speaks to how segmented and gated the photography profession is. While Uta Barth’s delicately sensitive photos are done on a medium format film camera, Moriyama shoots with cheap point and shoots, Petersen with a Contax T3 and Shore with anything from a large format camera to a Hassy X1Dii to an iPhone. And yes, Leicas, often M cameras, are also frequently used. 🤷‍♂️

Ronman said...

I think some folks just like to talk s#*t like they really have something to say, but in reality just want to be heard. Even negative recognition is better than being ignored to these fragile souls. I prefer Mac tools over Snap-On any day of the week. Because, you know, it's an A team vs B team thing. I think next we should argue about house paint.

Paul Glover said...

I wonder how many of the people pontificating over "what real pros use" have ever been paid to take a photo in their lives... and no, shooting test charts for a web review doesn't count.

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c.d.embrey said...

As does Arri. And Panasonic.

c.d.embrey said...

Camera doesn't matter, photographer does.

Kirk, Photographer/Writer said...

Yes C.D. that is the main point of the message in this blog post.

c.d.embrey said...

Some people can't accept a compliment, so says c..d.embrey,

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should just ask Chris what cameras are acceptable for Pros.

Bill Bresler said...

IPhones are game changers. Most of my clients hire me to cover events and deliver still images. I shoot with Sony mirrorless and sometimes Nikon DSLRs. If I shoot a panoramic I use my iPhone. I usually shoot enough iPhone video to produce several simple 1 minute videos. If I do that once or twice as a bonus for a client they start asking for more. So I do that, and the client pays for it. Good for client retention.
Here's an iPhone anecdote for those who scoff at the quality. I was on vacation in northern Michigan at a small cabin on a lake. One morning I noticed the morning light inside the cabin. I made a quick photo on the iPhone. It looked great on the phone's screen. Back home, I opened the file in photoshop, and viewed it at 100%. At 300dpi the print size is about 10x13 inches. Just for laughs, I processed the file using the "enhance" tool, which upsizes your file and uses AI to fill in the missssing pixels and applies sharpening. The new, upsized file prints at 24x28 inches. I sent the file to the guy who makes my prints. He laughed when I told him what I was doing. Neither of us laughed when we saw the finished print. If you're pixel peeping at 6-8 inches you can see the work that enhance does, but step back a couple of feet to normal viewing distance for a print of that size and the print is stunning. The times are not a-changing, they've done changed.

Anonymous said...

I switched from Nikon DSLR to Sony Mirrorless because of EyeAF. I tolerate the Sony cameras for the great selection of Sony GM and Sigma Art lenses available.

Anonymous said...

Personally I’m old and staid and quite happy to shoot what I have but I’m brand agnostic and if another brand launched the one lens I’d like to buy (but don’t think will ever be made) change would not be a problem.

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