Last shot of the evening on Friday. Q2.
Correctly or incorrectly I judge how popular cameras are by how hard it is to buy one new. In a box. From a retailer. New mirrorless, interchangeable cameras from Leica, Panasonic, Sony, Nikon and Canon all seem to be widely available right now. Maybe they're tough to get just after launch but the supply seems to catch up with demand for all but the most popular, and the cameras perceived to be actually ground-breaking; at least at the time of launch.
For a couple of months now I've been feeling like I made a mistake getting rid of both of my Fuji X100V cameras near the end of 2021. At the time I really wasn't getting much use from them and I had a friend who really wanted one of them. With its twin missing the other X100V became part of one of a series of trade deals. My rationale for selling them at the time was that they were plentiful; available, and if I wanted to I could replace them with ease. My cursory searches through the biggest dealers' websites over the last 60 days proved me wrong. Brand new X100V cameras seem to have vanished from the market. The are "back-ordered" or have become "special order" items. I called several retailers to check on this inventory mystery and each one had the same story: the new cameras are trickling in by ones and twos from Fuji and if I want one I need to put myself on the retailer's waiting list. I asked how long the list might be and all the people who were willing to own up to the truth said their lists were anywhere from the hundreds to, in one case, over a thousand people. Wow. Just wow.
For a number of reasons the Fuji X100V is both a super high demand item and, at the same time, a proverbial unicorn. Oh...you can buy one if you want. Probably right now. Today. It's easy. Just go online to Ebay and you'll find sellers moving the cameras for insane prices. From $2,500 to $3,500 and along with the high prices you'll also have to navigate the dicey waters of private sellers, some with dubious ratings... Caveat Emptor, for sure. These cameras have been flogged relentlessly on review sites, hence their current popularity. Another reason to hate on social media... (and my own blog...).
The Fuji X100V is a really nice $1399 camera but it's kind of NOT a bargain or even a good deal, slightly used, at $2,500. For a bit more you could pick up a nice, but also used Leica Q. The original full frame, 24 megapixel model. And having played with both the Leica is decidedly nicer. But it's not just Fuji's compact, APS-C fixed lens X100V that's gone AWOL. Once I realized that the Fuji product wasn't destined to be in my immediate future I started looking around at other potentially fun compact cameras. Just something small and easy to carry around when I'm working on trying to be "casual" about my photography hobby.
I decided I'd pick up a Panasonic LX100mk2 instead. Or, I might splash out and buy the same camera in Leica trim for a little bit more; a D-Lux 7 for the same price at the above mentioned Fuji. Either one would have worked for me but..... both are back-ordered. Adorama says until mid to late April. One by one I worked my way through the small field of ultra cool compact cameras like the Ricoh GR3x only to find that the "cool" models in nearly every line are out of stock, back-ordered or otherwise missing in action.
While I have always liked bigger and more potent cameras for work, and almost always cameras with interchangeable lenses, I've also usually had an inexpensive, compact camera to carry along as well. Ten years ago it was the Canon G10 followed a few years later by the G15 and the G16. All really good variations on the compact theme. On a bet I actually illustrated one of my books, "Photographic Lighting Equipment" almost exclusively with the CCD sensor-ed G10. It did not disappoint --- but I mostly used it in a counter-intuitive way= anchored to a tripod.
From 2002 to 2013-15 there was a mad rush made by consumers in one of two directions. One group decided to buy into the new, digital camera DSLR hysteria and abandoned their usual point-and-shoot camera to embrace APS-C and then full frame cameras. These replaced legions of compact cameras on kid's soccer fields, at family gatherings and on big vacations. All of sudden the market for premium compacts dropped like a rock. The other group of consumers, beginning around 2008-9, decided that the performance of the ever-ready cameras in their mobile phones were completely able to take over the tasks once handled by compact cameras and, in a burst of freeing themselves from the tyranny of carrying multiple devices they dropped their demand for stand alone compacts and embraced photo-by-phone.
Manufacturers, being logical and data grounded, looked at the plummeting sales numbers and bailed nearly wholesale from the entire market segment of the compact camera. But a new group of people, driven by a recent trend with an almost viral spread, have been snapping up the old compacts for, ta-da! Street Photography. Which we used to just call....photography.
So, camera makers shut down production, new Street Photographers soak up the really cool used compact cameras and now we're kind of stuck. This happened when compact film camera sales first started to decline. The price of everyone's favorite, the Canon Canonet QL17mk3 took off like a rocket. It was a camera that never retailed for more than about $150 which started selling for three and four hundred dollars used. Looking at that camera now I judge that those buyers of used Canonets actually got bargains. An all metal, all mechanical body with an attached 40mm f1.7 rangefinder coupled lens, able to flash sync at all shutter speeds and featuring a quick load (the QL in QL) function that made loading film easy and foolproof.
If Canon launched that camera today and updated the meter and battery they could probably become the newest back-ordered "photographic miracle" machine at around $1,000 a pop. It was that popular. An improved, updated version that preserved the original DNA and features would be an instant classic. Brand the old 40mm lens as an L lens and ..... well, I can only conjecture.
But my point is that the market changed for a while and the huge base of compacts disappeared as quickly as Walmart and Costco could remainder them.
But I want one.
Why? With a camera like the G15 I can toss it in a jacket pocket, or in one of those huge pockets that used to decorate David Hobby's cargo shorts, and not really have to think about it. I could pull it out and make wonderful images without caring too much and without the pervasive ego addition of status symbol projection. Use it on the street and it would be hard for anyone to take me seriously. Accidentally drop it in a vat of hot coffee and I wouldn't cry about the loss...too much.
I recently bought a Leica Q2. It's a formidable camera. But it's in no way really compact in the way the old point and shoots were. If you want to put that sucker in a pocket you'll need to pull your old London Fog trench coat out of the closet and clear the gum wrappers and Kleenex out of the pockets. The Q2 takes amazing photos but it more a fixed lens variation on the Leica Ms which are also not "pocketable" or even light to carry around.
While I was pining for the Fuji X100V I started to remember that, winter jackets aside, (we only get to use them for about a month each year in Central Texas) we don't have pockets with enough cubic centimeters to accommodate one of them either. That's what led me down the path to cameras like the Lumix LX100ii. It's just small enough to bring along surreptitiously, streamlined-ly, under the radar. And, if the reviews are true it is a really good photograph making product with a nice zoom lens that covers a useful range of angles of view.
Yes, I've looked at the Sony RX100xxxx variants but they are finnicky to use. Buttons too small. Menus to torturous. And while the one inch sensors are good the prices for the cameras are out of touch with my side of the market.
I looked around the retail space again today and decided to entertain myself for the foreseeable future with the existing Leica Q2. I suspect that Leica will be launching a new model sometime soon. If so I have just a few suggestions for them. I think they would do well to make two models and to provide two different fixed focal lengths. The 28mm seems to work well for a lot of people but I'm sure there are some like me who would love to see a 50mm version of the camera. I would buy one in a heartbeat. With a digital zoom range up to 90 or 100mm (with a drop in resolution) I'd be in semi-compact camera heaven. Another suggested change would be to put a little front grip into the actual body design to make holding the camera more of a science and less of an aftermarket hardware art project. It's a test of one's optimism about the future to drop almost $6,000 on a camera but it's just a trial to complete the camera with aftermarket thumb grips and front hand grips. The German engineers have hands. They should try holding their product for a day to see just where it might be improved.
If the Q3 launches with no change to the body them I'm weighing starting a company to make a "KirkTuck" branded selection of grips and gadgets to hang off the resulting camera. If Oberwerth can make a $495 half case for a Q2 I'm sure there are some out there that might pay $300 for an "exclusive" thumb grip. It will come in quite a nice box....
Now that we've moved from a final viewing target being a screen instead of paper prints (for the vast majority of people) most of the camera on offer are dramatic overkill. The compacts should see a revival as the offer a good middle ground between the lust and passion for full frame and the parsimonious and unimaginative dependence on a phone with which to make art. Price them well and we might be able to convince every Sony A9 user, Nikon Ultra ZXX user, and even died in the wool Leica SL users to pick up a pint size camera for those "in between" moments. Easier to handle at cocktail parties and on trail runs. Cheap enough to have one to leave in the car...
I took the Leica Q2 out with me late Friday afternoon. Yes, it was equipped with a non-Kirk branded thumb grip and a non-Kirk branded hand grip. It had a strap. It weighs more than nothing. I had the extra battery in my pocket. I liked almost everything about the shooting experience except that I couldn't just fit it into my jacket pocket. I'd like to have something smaller just for times like that.
On the other hand I really liked the photos I was able to take. I'll caption a few of them.
Two work notes. First, my long time partner/spouse/wife/best friend won a silver ADDY award for her design work, done almost a year ago, for a brochure. Her creative director texted her from the awards show Friday night. He was delighted. It's funny because it was the last design project she did for a large final client before retiring. I guess it's the classic situation of leaving on a high note.
I also did two work projects this week, making environmental portraits for both a law firm and a tech firm. One each. The newsy piece is that I was bored about the projects until I decided to mix things up by tossing the big, full frame cameras back in a drawer and taking along only the Leica CL, APS-C cameras. In both cases I used one of the cameras with the Sigma 65mm f2.0 lens. The combination results in an angle of view similar to a 100mm lens on a full frame camera. The lens is massively sharp even at f2.0 so I decided to use it there. I was very pleased with the final results --- as were the clients. Sometime we just shake it up to move forward. Next up: How's that swimming coming along?
An artist who can't resist getting into the shot.
Shameless.
Pink chairs in front of a hair salon. Cabled to the ground so the extravagantly
coiffed don't make off with the furniture...
dynamic range, dogs and clouds. End of day socializing with dog owners.
they tell you right up front what sells. In Austin at any rate.
Using the crop mode in the Q2 at the 75mm setting.
Seems pretty good to me.
I prefer just to upgrade....
the scene in front of a big bank building. I imagined that some
failed corporate executive was whacked for not hitting his numbers
and they tossed him into the front flower bed as an example.
Just my film noir imagination....
Why do I think that "Maine Lobster" and Austin, Texas are a stupid mix of
gustatory non sequiturs? What's the carbon foot print of sending lobsters
cross country when we could all be chowing down on tacos and guacamole instead?
75.
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You midwesterners know that you really want these boots.
They would change your life. Just imagine wearing them into the office
with your suit from The Men's Warehouse... And that funny necktie.
Streets wide open. Ready to park your car.
The alternate path back over the railroad tracks, through the fence and back to the waiting car.
Coffee cup "too-hot-to-hold" cardboard thing deconstructed as found art.
Kirk,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on your SO's ADDY! A fitting high note indeed.
I have been using small fixed-lens cameras since the film days--a Pentax cheepie that had a switch to let the camera zoom in a bit. Can't remember the model number but it developed a light leak so it went into the trash. And I used an Olympus Stylus (the black one with the sliding lens cover). Loved that little camera.
So my small digital EDCs have been the Canon SD950IS (great color!) plus Nikon's P7100, P7700 and the P7800 that I still use now and then. Great zoom on it for a 1-inch sensor camera and macro too.
Panasonic cameras have been the Lumix LX-5 and the Leica D-Lux 7 that you were thinking about buying. Got the silver one 'cause it gets hot here in Florida. Wow do I really enjoy this camera! f1.7 lens with a nice zoom range and macro, compact size and a feel in the hand that just makes me smile. It's a little bijou and the photos I can make with it are just beautiful. I know you love your "real" Leicas but this think just amazes me. And it came with a Red Dot ;-)
..and I forgot the Canon G10 and G11. I did some seriously good work with them at the time.
ReplyDeleteDrMickey, Thanks! That was a fun read. We've owned a lot of cameras between us. What a fun practice.
ReplyDeleteThe award this last week was B's 22nd Addy. She's an award winner in so many ways!
Kirk, try a Fuji X-T30 II CAMERA WITH A 27mm pancake lens as a substitute for the X100V.
ReplyDeleteOne of the people I follow on Flickr uses a G12. Every time I see his work, I think, oh, that's nice black and white, and then I look at the exif and see the G12.
ReplyDeleteThe GRlllx looks available straight from Ricoh.
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https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/griiix/
I'm a great fan of the Panasonic/Leica compact camera series.Through the years I've used LX-3, LX-5, Lx-7, LX-100, D-Lux 3, D-Lux 4, and D-Lux 5. All were sold to friends who wanted them.
ReplyDeleteA Leica D-Lux 7 is my current compact.
Leica Store Miami does have the Leica D-Lux 7 'A BATHING APE x STASH' special edition, black,
limited to 1,850 pieces worldwide. Only $500 more than a black or silver D-Lux 7.
Love that gold boot.
ReplyDeleteYou know what other cameras are priced too highly these days, premium film compacts. Olympus Stylus Epic and XA are in the $400 range. I've seen Minolta TC-1 at $1300. I can't remember when I last saw a Nikon 28Ti or 35Ti for sale. I thought that I'd look for a Yashica T4 for yucks, well good luck with that. You can get one but I would not pay that much. It would make more sense to pick up a Pentax MX with 40 mm pancake, nearly as small. Funny old world.
All boot, no cow comes to mind.
DeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI tried the lx100 but I thought the viewfinder dreadful.
I currently own an original Leica Q and a Ricoh GR and both have heaps of crap on the sensor, the thought of sending the Q to Germany from Australia just to clean the sensor horrifies me, so I just put up with cloning in PS.
The dust problem is so bad I'll never buy a fixed lens camera again, even though I love them both. Oh and my X100t also had so much rubbish on the sensor I gave it away, thought it was wildly overrated anyway.
All the best, Mark
I second the suggestion of an X-T30 - or an X-E4 - with the 27mm f/2.8 on it. The latest version of that lens even has an aperture ring. I'm glad that I hung onto my X100V. But occasionally I feel some GAS for the Ricoh GRIIIx.
ReplyDeleteI've had the Lumix LX7 and LX100 for years, like them both. The LX100 is the only camera I took to Iceland. Outfitted with an aftermarket petal lens cover to avoid fiddling with a lens cap, and in Iceland a circular polarizer (we went in June - never night time).
ReplyDeleteFor an upcoming trip to Europe, I want to go even lighter, so now my armamentarium includes a Lumix ZS100. (1" sensor).
For road trips, I have no problem bringing along the GX7 and several lenses, or a Nikon D700, and a tripod or two. Nice to have a trunk to carry the heavy and/or bulky stuff.
Do take a look at the ZS100. It is pocket-able ... especially with cargo pants.
I also have an LX-7 with the clip on electronic finder. The IQ is surprisingly good for my end uses: screen and 8x10 or 11x14. The finder eliminates the pocketable aspect of the camera. I’m interested in your impressions of the ZS100.
DeleteYeah, I was shocked when I saw how much the asking price for the X100V was nowadays, still not selling mine though. I was going to say that I heard the XE-4 is supposed to be a good second choice to the X100V, but alas, those seem to be on back-order everywhere too.
ReplyDeletei expect you could get a fuji xf10 fairly easily, discontinued but fuji usa may still have new ones on their retail site, plenty of used around, lens & sensor isn't as nice as x100v but it's a pretty fun camera, looks like x-s20 will be the next x-trans camera in april, it would make sense for fuji to get the next x100 ready, I'm sure it's in the pipeline anyway, though I'm sure they have to juggle their sensor supply to make sure they have enough for the current lineup, seems they are building their own factory, they had one before, sold it to someone else who sold it to sony I think.
ReplyDeletethe covid parts shortages are still a factor, a lot of parts have switched to a 1 year+ lead time, Texas Instruments especially have gone to pieces, I think they were worst affected in terms of parts just not being available
Kirk - the pocketable Ricoh GR3X complements the Q2 wonderfully well. And to mitigate dust/lint from pockets the JJC LC-GR3 metal lens cap is worthwhile buying - when available.
ReplyDeleteHello Kirk, thanks for your post and pictures... You should try that small Ricoh Gr3x with viewfinder ( or without). 40mm fixed lens 🤗📷. Pocketable and very good lens, jpeg,... Have a nice day. Pierre
ReplyDeleteI totally get the desire for a compact camera. I love my X100F....if I could only take one camera with me on a trip, it would be that one. Great to use at dawn or twilight or in a dimly lit building.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, just checked 8 retailers in the UK (via camerapricebuster I hasten to add, not laboriously) and only one had an x100v in stock, no idea how many.
Weight is really important to me and I need to look after my back! The x100 series combines fun, relatively light, with lovely images. But about to try the TZ200, it will be interesting to see what that turns out like.
The best is the GR3x only if you attach the after market filter holder which solves the stray dust issue. I don’t know if the other cameras you discussed have that option.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with small compact cameras isn't the sensor (usually) but the lens. I have Sony RX100VII (7?) and also a III, and they have all the problems you speak of, but you *can* get used to them. What I can't get used to is the lens, which has some hard-to-fix distortions. Take a picture of somebody on the street and the building always looks like it's falling on them. Probably the best compact I have is a Leica D-Lux 3, with a 16mp sensor. I didn't know there was a 7, I'll have to look into it. Though, honestly, I don't know if it's worth it for the minor carry advantage you get over the smaller M4/3 cameras. You can put on a great short zoom on one of the GX series and pretend it's a fixed lens compact.
ReplyDeleteBull. Some of us, many of us only shoot for the fun of it and prefer smaller cameras.
ReplyDeleteHi John, I removed the comment I think you were responding to. We have an anonymous poster who is, for want of a better phrase, kind of an ass. Lately his belief is that all single use cameras will go away. He may be right but he's probably wrong and he's not very good about getting his points across in a non-confrontational way. Sorry to make your orphaned reply seem non-sequitur but there it is.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of a hobby for me now to moderate these petulant comments... Along with clipping services from India and Janitorial services from Casino sites. But that's part of the free services I provide to people who care enough to sign their names to comments.
Thanks for being here!
Small camera. excellent IQ with a small removable viewfinder that fits in the hot shoe, pop up flash, but fit in my cargo pants pocket, one in each pocket. Drum roll please.............. Sigma DP1x DP2x. A little small for me, but I'm building a wooden grip for them out in the shop.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a Fuji X30??
Kirk, as for thumb or handgrips for the Q2, I use a Hoage handgrip on my Monochrom. It’s extremely well made, as are all Hoage products, it sets the camera firmly in my hand, and it’s 1/3 the price of the Leica model. I also use one for my CL, which I prefer over the Hoage thumb grip I purchased. Hoage is a superior product. I got a Hoage lens hood for the Q2 and it actually fits better than that loose Leica hood.
ReplyDeleteI always liked the look of the Sony RX1(R) and RX1(R) MkII, but never bought one. Great lens, but poor battery life and so-so AF, put me off
ReplyDelete"I'm weighing starting a company to make a "KirkTuck" branded selection of grips and gadgets to hang off the resulting camera."
ReplyDeleteStart with "Kirk's Thumb Tuck."
I'm selling my X100f after using a Nikon Z50. With the new 26mm pancake, it should be quite nice. And a lot more versatile.
"I liked almost everything about the shooting experience except that I couldn't just fit it into my jacket pocket. I'd like to have something smaller just for times like that."
Or maybe a jacket with bigger pockets. Might be cheaper than another camera!