Photographers can be a complain-y bunch. I was reading the comments following a camera review on a camera review site. The camera under observation was Sony's new APS-C body, the A6700. One of the tests that DPReview does to find out how well the continuous AF of a camera works is to have someone on a bicycle ride toward the camera in a ziggy-zaggy pattern. The tester shoots continuously and then all the frames are evaluated in order to give the camera a score. According to the reviewers the camera did an excellent job. According the the "web experts" the camera was a complete failure because the plane of perfect focus was not consistently on the bike rider's pupils. These were not close up shots. They were full to half body compositions... Some people are just....crazy.
A writer on another photo blog was unhappy to see that Nikon is charging $4,000 for a very, very capable 45+ megapixel, semi-pro, Z camera. He also states that recent cameras from Sony and Canon are being priced out of reach for the mass markets for camera enthusiasts.
Interesting to me on two points. First is the reality of both inflation and also the constant improvement for each generation of new cameras. My Kodak DCS 760, a six megapixel APS-H (not a typo) camera that weighed five pounds, shot to PCMCIA cards and got 80 shots from a fully charged battery cost $7900 in 2004. A Nikon D2X 12 megapixels APS-C professional camera I bought in 2005 cost about $6000 and was mostly useless for ISOs over 400. Or when using on camera flash. To my mind, paying less for a much better and much more sophisticated camera a decade later is little short of phenomenal. That's the definition of a product sector defying inflation.
The writer sadly predicted that very few people in the USA would be able afford the ever escalating prices of new camera models going forward. That sentiment didn't match up with my experience or that of my peers so I decided to leave the realm of the anecdotal "data" and look at facts. I was stunned to find that in the USA the number of people with a net worth of over $1,000,000 USD (frequently referred to as "millionaires") is not numbered in the hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands. Nope. There are, according to the folks at Charles Schwab, over 21 million Americans in that category. Millionaires. Sure, not all of them are potential camera buyers but even if only 10% are interested in cameras that's a market of 2.1 million very affluent people. People who seemingly can well afford a $4,000 camera. Maybe even one or two every year.
I understand that there are many more people in the USA that have nowhere near that kind of wealth. In fact the millionaires represent only 8.8% of Americans (new data says 9.1%). But you hardly have to be rich to afford a nice camera. Even a pricy Nikon, Sony or Canon. If you aren't rich you might have to make choices. You might skip upgrading to an $80,000 SUV. You might stay in a house you can easily afford instead of aspiring to a new house you can barely afford. You might go out to eat at restaurants less frequently. Or less lavishly. Stop paying for five or six streaming services each month. Have fewer and less extravagant vacations. Whatever. But with an average income of $71,000 per household per year one might just be able swing a good camera purchase from time to time. And if one is patient it's pretty routine that those $4000 cameras become $2500 used cameras rather quickly... Eventually becoming $500 used cameras...
There was a forum post I read recently. A photographer was asking the forum regulars what they thought of a certain Fuji lens for one of the Fuji medium format cameras. A lens I recently purchased. It's the Fuji 35-70mm zoom. To a person the regulars on the forum (one of the more civilized forums I've recently visited) stated that it was a really, really good lens and quite a bargain at the current sale price of $500. Basically, half price. The original poster ordered one and then found out that that particular lens doesn't have an external aperture ring. He stated emphatically that this was a DEAL KILLER, DEAL KILLER, DEAL KILLER. He told the group he would be sending the lens back IMMEDIATELY.
There was not an issue with being able to set the lens aperture via one of the two control dials on any of the MF Fuji cameras. He just couldn't be bothered to try a lens with no aperture ring. Kinda weird. But no weirder than people who complain bitterly if a new camera model, which they probably had no intention of buying anyway, has state of the art video features included. Also = deal killer.
On another forum, or in the comments of yet another blog (can't remember which), a photographer wrote that he'd been researching a lens for "months" and finally decided he needed it. Coincidentally, it's also a lens I bought this year; the Voigtlander 50mm f2.0 APO Lanthar. He wrote about all the wonderful things he learned about the lens. But he was back in the very next comment to tell us he was appalled that Voigtlander did NOT include a lens hood. It was..... a DEAL KILLER. By the way, a Hoage brand lens hood is a perfect fit at $49.
The glass always seems half empty when it comes to everyone else's images. A poster might put up a landscape in which color or contrasting colors and shapes are the real subject only to be savaged for not having all the fence posts in the background rendered as precision vertical structures. Another person might decide that their eyes are perfect densitometers and their phone screen is in perfect calibration and so they feel justified; no, invited to critique the gray tones in another person's black and white image. Too light. Too dark.... Too flat. Too contrasty.
There are so, so many photography critics who can't or won't accept an unsharp image even if the intention was unsharpness and the image looks even more interesting unsharp than it would sharply rendered.
There is one mad scientist style camera and lens reviewer who has probably never met a lens that didn't have tragic flaws in the far corners of each rendered frame. His analysis of most cameras and lenses is so bleak one wonders if there are any cameras that even come close to being satisfactory....in his universe. It's the same reviewer who constantly disparages the lens on the front of Leica's Q, Q2 and Q3 cameras. Three of Leica's most popular ever cameras in their line up. Perennially back-ordered and almost universally loved by Leica owners. And he'll tell you why all the computers you might want to buy are crap as well.
Occasionally I find a reviewer I like. Mattias Burling, finds lots of cameras fun and usable. James Popsys is also a mostly optimistic and upbeat photographer and user of cameras. Both of them supply a generous collections of lovely sample photographs (no brick walls or cat whiskers) to shore up their reviews of cameras. Both are fun to listen to.
Although I am told that James Popsys's landscape prints are beautiful, actual prints on nice paper. And his books are well printed too. Unfortunate for me that I'm not a fervent fan of landscapes. If I were I think I'd have some of his. Unless he wants me to pay for them and then I'm certain they cost too much!!! Not.
Matt Osborne (Mr. Leica) has a soft spot for older cameras and likes the rendering of some older lenses on his various cameras better than the newer and sharper ones. That can be a breath of fresh air. And you don't even need to "hold that thought" to enjoy his YouTube videos or blogs.
A lot of photographers tend to treat the intersection of cameras and the "craft" as something that can be measured and optimized. I'd rather judge a camera or lens by how much fun it is to use. And when it comes to price (and whining about prices) I have to say that while I'd love to drive around in a convertible Bentley automobile I don't have the money to splash out for one. But I can afford my Subaru Forester and I find that I like it very much. It gets me to photo shoots as well as I think a Bentley would but I can afford it and stay within my budget. I'd also like a private plane. But that's a whole other story.
Nikon, Canon and Sony all make good and expensive cameras. They also (all three of them) make and sell much less expensive models, not just high end cameras. When one factors in the reality that nearly every one of the reviewers and bloggers aim much of their work to the web it seems like all the hand wringing and misguided desires are Much Ado About Nothing.
Maybe we can start a new trend. Of photographers feeling that their cups are more than half full. If I were not able to buy expensive cameras I'm pretty sure I could be happy with cheaper cameras. I've done it before and the down market experience didn't seem to hamper my enthusiasm. I liked knowing about the pricey cameras because, if I was patient, I know that one day they'll be sitting on the used shelf of a camera store at a price I could well afford. Lenses too.
Price of a camera is like a biographical fallacy in reviewing art or music. We should meet the camera on its own terms. It's good or not good. Only after that should we look at the price.
Just a reminder to myself that early (2002) vintage digital cameras were already good enough for real work twenty plus years ago. <-- is your blog post from yesterday which the pixel peepers forget about :-) any 2002 and on camera for $USD500 and up is terrific pretty much especially for hobbyists!
ReplyDeleteI bought a Canon 40D in August 2007. My paid work was Product Photography. Ten megapixels is more than enough for Double Truck . No need to waste money for the latest and greatest. Camera doesn't matter studio strobes do!
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I find "enthusiastsemembrey" of anything, not especially phototographraphy, to be jerks not worthy of our attention.
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I'm sitting at my computer reading this as I finished working on some photos from earlier today. I went out with my Canon 5D (it's even called a classic now lol) with a Nikon 35mm 2.8 attached to it via a very thin, almost invisible adapter. It's a manual focus Nikon, one that I got when I purchased my Nikon FE many moons ago. The camera and lens worked wonderfully together, with focus confirmation. Worked like a charm via a lowly optical viewfinder. I'm very happy with the files, they hold up to anything my newer cameras can give me. The shooting experience was very enjoyable as there are not so many menu options on the original 5D. Yes, the colours live up to Canon's reputation and the skin tones are perfect. I paid $400 for the camera six months ago, it came with the Canon 50mm 1.8 (excellent lens) and 6 extra batteries and charger. And yes, I can afford a new state-of-the-art camera from whatever manufacturer. I have other cameras I enjoy. None of them stretched me financially and they all give me great joy and great results.
ReplyDeleteAh, yes, it's a DEAL KILLER. The pompous photo dweeb who thinks the manufacturers should package or manufacture products precisely to meet said dweeb's exact desires. Well, nowadays, maybe all hobbies suffer from the internet warrior "expert" and his sage pronouncements that something is a deal killer. Sigh....
ReplyDeleteI don't think you can decide intellectually what a deal killer is, you have to experience it, and by then, of course, it's too late. That's my introduction to my latest annoyance with the Fuji X-T5 (currently my favorite.) And it's related to my previous grievance, which was that the on-switch rotates in the wrong direction (you have to pull it on, rather than push it on) and the tiny pull knob is seriously under-sized and inconvenient. Today's problem, experienced while doing location research in the railroad town of Lamy, NM, involves a series of selections on a dial under the ISO knob. This dial selects between things like HDR, single-shot, multiple shot, etc, and has a large, easily moved knob that should have been the on-switch. So today, without warning, I apparently touched that knob, and it moved to the multiple shot selection, meaning that while I thought I was shooting about a hundred single shots, I actually shot about 200 near duplicates, which I had to weed out of Lightroom one at a time. This camera is new enough that I didn't realize what was happening, though it also happened on a June trip to London and Oxford. I caught that, because it was making three shots, and that was enough different than the single-shot experience to be "feelable." Two isn't. Not a deal-killer, though; just one of those things you have to get used to.
ReplyDeleteKirk, my humble advice would be to give less attention to internet reviews.
ReplyDeleteI like reading what you write about cameras because you actually use cameras.
ReplyDeleteLove the accompanying photo. What was going on with it?
ReplyDeleteI've experienced the same problem JC described with his XT-5 (or in my case, an XT-3). The solution is to use Fuji's "lock" feature. It's buried in the Tool Menu > Button/Dial Setting > Screen 3, last item on the list. What it does is allow you to lock almost any of the physical buttons or dials to whatever available setting you want. Once a setting is locked, it will stay that way, even if you move the dial or push the button. You can, of course, reverse this procedure to unlock whatever you've locked before.
ReplyDeleteOr, to return to the theme of Kirk's post, you (anyone, not specifically JC) can label these minor personal inconveniences a "deal breaker," return the camera, and delay any further efforts at photography until Fuji or some other camera company comes to its senses. That'll show 'em.
I was struck by how closely the subject's face in your photo mirrored the "half full or half empty" theme. The left side of her face (from her point of view) seems to be saying "half full", while the right side says "half empty". I know that the two sides of our faces are different, but this seems to be a striking example. Nice portrait, by the way.
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I'm another one with all my cameras but one purchased used. I'm retired, I'm poor but I have a lot of cameras, most of them old, most of them excellent picture-takers. I even have a couple of D2X bodies that are still good walk around cameras during daylight hours. Digital cameras have been capable for a long time. I first realized this around 2008 when I printed 1/2 of a horizontal frame to a vertical on 13x19 paper and found the results looked great (from a normal viewing distance). The camera was an 8 mp APS-C format Canon 30D.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I believe camera makers are making mistakes by building so many expensive and feature overloaded models with no real basic models. And, yes, I recognize inflation's effects. But technology today allows manufacturers methods of building reliable items for less expenditures than in the past. We need some new equivalents to the Nikkormat, FTb, K1000, etc. Reliable, basic, with prices in the bargain range. New photographers or more experienced photographers who are unable or unwilling to spend multiple thousands of dollars for a new or first camera will find the used market a friendlier place in regard to prices. In that respect, the camera maker competes with itself and they always lose in such a contest.
And yet, a DEAL KILLER can be a great thing.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first looked at DSLRs in (I think) 2006 my budget and perusal of existing reviews had me comparing the Nikon D70s and the Canon Rebel. Back then, even folks who didn't live in Austin could find real cameras in real stores to put their hands on. I held the Nikon in my hands and it fit. The controls made sense. Tried the same with the Canon and it was... blah. Neither the materials nor the control layout felt good in my hands. DEAL KILLER!
Consequently, from that day forward I'm perfectly content using Nikon DSLRs. A few years later I added a used D300 and in 2018 a used D700. I have no doubt that Canon or Sony or Fuji make cameras that are just as good if not better than the equivalent Nikon, and even less doubt that modern cameras from any brand are better than my D(inosaur)SLRs, but I rarely give a second thought to product announcements or pouring over reviews. So, lot's of time and mental capacity freed up by a DEAL KILLER from nearly 20 years ago.
My “deal killer” of late has been “too many options”. Cameras do too much, and while I know I don’t have to utilize all of the options available to me, it still causes some anxiety when I use a camera full of buttons and 60 different metering modes and 789 various autofocus modes. I think that’s one area that Leica has gotten right - they still make photographic machines that just take…photos.
ReplyDeleteI recently went camping and took my very trusty Nikon F2, 3 lenses (35/50/105) and several rolls of Portra 400. Had a great time, and my choices being limited turned out not to be a limitation at all. I don’t feel I missed any shot because of my rudimentary,
meter-less equipment.
I am looking to do the same in the digital realm now…something compact, with just a couple of prime lenses (maybe even manual focus only!). So I just picked up the little Nikon Zfc (in all-black, looks cool) and two Voigtlander z-mount lenses (23 & 35, tiny and nicely made). Pretty cheap (used), pretty nice to use, all manual exposure mode, no AF to futz with, definitely compact, nice image quality. No film to process, too.
We’ll see how long this lasts.
I think your point about camera inflation being phenomenal is quite true. The new mirrorless cameras from all manufacturers are amazing machines. And therein lies the rub, for me at least. They are simply massively over-specified for me as a hobbyist.
ReplyDeleteI need the performance about as much as I need a car that can 200 mph. I simply don't need 45 MP and it would likely cause more problems than it solved (more cards and hard drives). I have loads of cameras that I can take pictures with and tend to rotate my use of cameras. Why? No other reason than because it's fun.
Any new camera would be used to take serious shots only a few times a year, and I doubt I'd notice any major difference between a 45 MP and the 12 MP of my Canon 5D when printed 6x4 or 7x5.
So yes, they are great value for money if you can make use of the performance (and you clearly can), but for people like me it's just not worth it.
Kirk, yours is the only photo blog I read. I might watch one or 2 photo centric YouTubes a month. My tolerance for BS is VERY low. My time is too valuable for me to waste it reading/watching idiots doing whatever it takes to increase their "likes".
ReplyDeleteI'd rather be out making images that please me and sharing a few on Instagram for the few people who follow me. The camera of choice on any particular day is mainly determined by where I am going.
Like others, 99% of the cameras I own I bought used. Paying the stupid tax just goes against my Scottish heritage lol.
At the end of the day are we seeing images that are more satisfying (artistically) and engaging (intellectually) from these new cameras than the ones made by the Nikon D70s?
I have little patience for people who whine about the "good old days" when you could buy a decent camera for several hundred bucks. They obviously don't understand the time value of money and their incomes have most likely stagnated over the last 20 years.
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What also irks me is the DSLR/Micro Four Thirds system/etc. “IS DEAD” type of comment. I have been using mirrorless cameras for over eleven years. But I also regularly shoot with a DSLR. Amazingly, I get great shots from the “dead” DSLR. These days I would probably steer new buyers who are not on a tight budget towards mirrorless systems. But as you and other commenters have stated, there is a lot of good used equipment from “dead” (and the latest) systems out there capable of producing great results.
ReplyDeleteBut I do have to say that it feels like my discretionary funds have shrunk. Part of this is due to having kids growing older and costs associated with supporting them going up substantially. Recent inflation rates haven’t helped either. I guess I will have to wait to get that Z8 body when it is on the used market for $500. Sigh!