Leica is mostly a rational company. How else to explain their long tenure in a highly competitive market and their ability to price their wares at astronomically high prices? And, for the most part, their stuff works well. At least well enough to satisfy a small percentage of the worldwide market for cameras and lenses. But occasionally Leica goes a bit crazy and makes a product whose target is so opaque that even brilliant photo writers and Leica apologists like myself are dumbfounded and mystified.
One such product is the Leica TL family of cameras. And my critical final evaluation of the TL2 is especially damning given that it is the third iteration of mostly the same camera body but replete with three chances to get stuff right or fix stuff that was just nonsensical.
Let's start with obvious fashion touches that degrade the product when it comes to reliability. First up are the strap lugs. Leica, Nikon, Sony, Canon....oh just name a camera company... have all converged on ways of making camera strap lugs that all do their basic jobs well. They are strongly attached to the camera bodies and they do a good job allowing for the tight connection of a camera strap to camera with which to carry the camera. But Leica got cute and "re-invented" the camera strap by making the strap lug removable. The reason? So the arduously fashionable could plug the holes with spiffy black metal plugs that match the body finish letting the fashionista carry the camera completely unencumbered by a strap or any vestige of a strap. The removable lugs are very small and imminently losable but have no fear, Leica can replace your lugs for "less than $100 USD." A very elegant looking solution. A miserable exercise in mechanical engineering in search of a reasonable goal.
While we're on the subject of fashion driven failure what can really be said about the exterior finish of the camera body? I know, we could take this slippery, shiny impact-magnet finish and coat it with an extra layer of Teflon. That, or an application of mineral oil to the exterior are the only two ways that come to mind of how to make a camera that will, and almost must, slip right out of your hands and propel itself toward any bit of cement, rocks or concrete in your vicinity. The camera is built out of a block of aluminum alloy and that's pretty cool but grippy surfaces on the cool finish would have make the camera a bit more usable.
Oh, what am I saying? Any improvement in grippy surfaces would have increased the expected "accident free" life of the camera by about 90%. Maybe more. If the camera designer's intentions were to create a nice product to put on a shelf and admire then the TL2 might qualify but from a usability point of view it's always a two-handed operation with one hand clinging to the camera with a frantic death grip. Never, ever usable as a one-handed shooting camera. Don't even think about it unless your hand is covered on all sides with duct tape and other powerful adhesives.
There should be my usual grousing about the lack of an EVF but I knew when I bought the camera that I could add an EVF if I wanted to so I'll give Leica a break on that one. Still... the added EVF is so obviously a kludgy afterthought.
Next up let's talk about batteries. The TL2 has the same cute battery compartment complication that you find on the SL, SL2, Q2, etc. The battery is flush mounted with the bottom of the camera and there is a lever adjacent to the battery's bottom. Push the lever and the battery partially disengages from the camera but doesn't drop out. A quick press on the bottom of the battery fully releases it into your hands. It's actually a nice way to ensure your battery doesn't drop to its death if unwittingly released. And what an expensive death it would be.
Replacement batteries for the TL2 are dear. About $110 USD dear. Per battery. But the painful part of tossing away that kind of money is that the average hearing aid battery has more power in reserve than one of these "well designed" batteries from Leica. But I learned a while ago that when it comes to all Leica products requiring batteries this is an important lesson: Buy a back up battery the minute you buy the camera no matter what it costs. Waiting will ensure two things. First, the price of the battery will soar relentlessly higher and higher as you discover ever more painfully that extra batteries are a must if one is to fill up even a 16 MB memory card on one charge. And second, that when you decide that you are finally ready to plunk down cash for a second (or third, or fourth) battery you will find that they are now back-ordered. Sometimes for years. And sometimes they are impossible to find at all.
It might all be worth it if the "streamlined and modern" menu listed as a valuable feature lived up to its own advertising but sadly...no. I learned to use the menu in an SL pretty fluidly in about a week. It took three or four more days to get really comfortable with the Leica CL menu but the TL2 with its very bizarre menu distribution/scattering and opaque direction has now taken me at least three months to even partially master and I am sometimes still baffled when I haven't used the camera for a week or two and go back to pick it up. Daunting? Yes. Challenging? Yes. Fun...no f*ing way.
But all can be forgiven when you finally coax a file out of the eccentric picture taking machine, right? Not so fast my friends. The focusing is not slow it's just undecided and headstrong. You and the camera might disagree over what's important in the frame. I should amend this and say you'll mostly lose that argument with the little putative machine. If this happens often I find the best solution is to drive back home, lie down in a darkened room and put a cool, wet washrag on your forehead. You are not going to win.
Would I say that the TL2 is my camera purchase failure of the year? Nope. I'd amend that statement to read "The worst camera purchase of the past decade." And, as you probably know I've stumbled around enough with eccentric cameras to add additional emphasis to that statement.
Has this soured me forever on Leicas? Not a chance. Has it put me off using the TL2? A bit. But you know how much I love a challenge. Would I consider selling this to another photographer and washing my hands of my misguided ownership? Absolutely not. My religion teaches me never to hate someone that much.
Got some cash burning a hole in your pocket and looking for an act of willful self-flagellation? Step right up and look for a use Leica TL2. Now gone, I think (hope) from the new camera marketplace. And not a moment too soon.
Makes a conversational paperweight though. You gotta give it some credit where it's due.
By the way..... I'm still blogging.
Loved the comments on the TL2, Kirk. I could never see a reason to get one of those - I have an M10 now, which will likely remain my one and only Leica, and it's a great camera. Expensive, of course, but I love the very basic approach to photography Leica offers in the M10. My plan is to keep it until I can no longer use a camera. I read your blog every day.
ReplyDeleteThe most important sentence in this “review”….. the last one!
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw the headline I thought it was going to be the Sigma FP. Maybe in 2nd place?
ReplyDeleteDick
Black gaffer tape. Has the additional benefit of making you look like an experienced, road-weary photo warrior back from somewhere hard to get to. Don't forget to cover the red dot.
ReplyDeleteKirk
ReplyDeleteI always enjoy you writing and comments. I have been a Leica shooter for a long time. Quire often it is a love hate relationship. Yet when I handle another brand of camera I always return to the Leica brand.
On your last words … have you considered that blogging may just be good exercise for your brain to go along with all the swimming and walking. And, yes, I do notice that the swimming seems to call for quite a lot of thinking too. Of course, I don’t know how much other writing you do.
ReplyDeleteHi Richard,
ReplyDeleteI actually write more than what shows up on the blog. I occasionally ghost write proposals for several marketing companies that have large tech clients, I've ghost written a book on marketing for a friend and I'm forever working on the sequel or prequel (can't decide) to the "Lisbon Portfolio" novel I launched in 2013.
Writing helps with other stuff. Like talking knowledgeably to clients, etc. Oh, and writing notes to advertising clients. ...
I'm a good bit older than you and somewhat curmudgeonly (so I am told). I enjoy reading (I have been known to read wine bottle labels when conversation is dull at dinner) so I avidly read your blog for your fresh and frank views on daily life... it is after all your life that we peer into every day, in black & white or even in the pool! Your blog posts are never boring, even when explaining the intricacies of planning a video production. I am in awe that you find the time to write every day (almost) and that you have something fresh to say. I suggest that your readership is diminishing as you are intelligent, and require a degree of intelligence from your readers....as I notice that the majority of people nowadays are lacking in this attribute it explains why your readership is diminishing.
ReplyDeleteKirk, your musings on the Leica CL have brought me perilously close to picking one up for myself. Just as your thoughts on the TL will ensure that camera never receives a second look from me. The CL could still happen. But my Fuji X-E4 fills that spot in my kit rather well.
ReplyDeleteThe Fuji X-E4 is a the wise solution. With the right lens on the front it's pretty darn good.
ReplyDeletePixii Rangefinder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9lspknmcM. This may be the poor man's Leica I have been looking for.
ReplyDeleteHad one for 48 hours...gone!
ReplyDeleteMy Samsung phone doesn't have lugs and I've never dropped it.
ReplyDeleteThis is the most phone like camera I've ever seen. Innovation is a hard sell!
Ah yes, the Leica T series…machined from a single block of aluminum, polished by hand, ground breaking design…an object of desire, perhaps, rather than a usable camera. Some time in the late 1960s, Buckminster Fuller, writing in a forward for a friend’s graduation yearbook from the Pratt Institute, opined that the masses tend to praise everything that is “new” as wonderful, great art, music, architecture, etc., when in fact 90% of it would, and should, pass into obscurity 10 years into the future, as not worth remembering. At around the same time period, Theodore Sturgeon, Canadian Sci-Fi writer wrote a novel, the title of which escapes me, in which a character expressed a similar thought, more succinctly as “90% of everything is crap.”
ReplyDeleteThat Pixii looks cool however $4000CAD is a bit much for this old dog.
ReplyDeleteEric
"A $25 teakettle needs to boil water, whistle, be dependable, and look appealing. A $900 kettle mostly needs to be beautiful."
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Sung Jang and Martin Thayer with Matthew Frederick
That's a really beautiful kettle that you've got there, Kirk.
Jeff in Colorado
Good that you picked up the CL first. If you got the TL2 first, you never would have looked at another Leica APS-C camera.
ReplyDeleteHi Kirk,
ReplyDeleteThis is my first time commenting. If you’re cool with it, I’d like to offer something of a lengthy rebuttal to your “critical final evaluation” of the design & functionality of the TL family. More specifically the Typ 701 of which I have, and enjoy using, because it is nothing like the ‘old’ designs of the M, S, SL, or CL. I’ll happily point out what I think is truly amiss with it as well.
You mentioned in the previous post the emulation of past century techniques for the sake of replicating stuff from the past is boring. However the TL family is a strong departure from the century old portable camera designs that Leica rarely deviates from. No VF, most controls accessed via a capacitive touchscreen, & two knobs whose functions vary based on what mode is in use. This is what makes it appealing to me.
Seemingly it is a frivolous cosmetic design choice to have no strap lugs, but it became a non-issue the moment I attached the strap that was included with the camera body. Don’t like the silicone strap they provided & want to use a traditional strap of your own? Then yes, you’ll have to pony up more money for a pair of traditional lugs that snap into place. Here’s the rub; this lug-less design is a heavily marketed “feature” of the camera. If you must have lugs, then why even consider this?
The exterior finish of the body is quite smooth. However I don’t find it to be so smooth as to be slippery. It’s no more slippery than a smartphone or a remote control. I’ve never had to clinging to it with a frantic death grip. Maybe the heavier weight of a full frame lens adds to the slipperiness. I don’t know. I have a TTartisan 35mm APS-C on mine, and have never had slipping issues. To boot, during the winter months, I wear gloves with rubber finger grips. Clearly they aimed for slick cleans lines, but Leica could have given the grip the same texture as your SL and its design school ethos would have remained intact.
A replacement battery from Leica is undeniably expensive. The store I bought my used T from threw in 2 additional Leica-branded batteries. They don’t fit any other Leica, so it was pointless for them to sit in inventory & degrade into spicy pillows. That essentially cut $200 off of the price of the body, and was a serendipitous score for me. However I was prepared to buy third party replacement batteries from Amazon. They are priced in the range of $19 to $30. As far as I can tell there is no waitlist for them.
There is a character limit for commenting, so I’ll submit the second half separately.
Part 2
ReplyDeleteThe lack of EVF is the ‘key’ selling point of this model. Holding a portable camera up to your eye is unnecessary & is an easy habit to break. Especially when the camera has a large, clear, live-view screen. It’s just weird to gripe over a camera having no EVF, but using a smartphone is okay. Why? Does the addition of buttons or knobs really necessitate an eye-level VF? I have the Visoflex. I don’t regret buying it, but it is completely unnecessary.
I’m flummoxed of your issue with the menu system. It seems to me as straightforward as you can get; every function of the camera is clearly labeled, even displayed with icons, on the one & only level of the menu system. You simply scroll to & tap the function you want to modify. It even goes so far as to allow you to make your own customized menu containing only the functions you want. How this could be daunting is a mystery to me.
I didn’t opt for an auto-focus lens, so I can’t comment on the performance. My understanding is the TLs use basic contrast detection focusing and should focus on whatever you tap upon on the screen. If they are unable to acquire focus in bright light, then shame on Leica. I too wouldn’t want an automated camera that couldn’t focus properly if it was what I needed of it.
There are two aspects that I do think are goofy, but by no means make the camera unusable. They may be specific to the 701. I haven’t read any account of the later models having these issues.
The first is the meter always wants to overexpose the scene by 1 stop. I adjusted the EV to -1 & nipped that in the bud.
The second is auto-preview will not turn off despite being set to off. It is a coding issue that simply cannot be compensated for. Leica has released 9 firmware updates for the T, and the issue hasn’t been addressed by any of them. It is the only real ‘problem’ the camera has, and even then, I don’t find it troublesome as it only displays for a brief moment. Personally, I can wait it out, but it is a shoddy oversight by Leica.
The TL family for the most part works as advertised. It’s deliberately not like the other Leica offerings, and that’s likely why it’s not well received by much of the brand fans. As I said before, it is the very reason why I like it.
Alex. Fair enough. Thanks for the writing a longer than usual comment. They are my favorites!!!
ReplyDeleteKirk,
ReplyDeleteI too will offer to take many bytes from your site. You mention the difficulty you have using the menu. Let me relate a story about two friends, and the tale of two menus. One was a strictly hobby photographer and the other a young pro. Both had Sony cameras, with which they were pleased with all but for the menus. But, one had a solution which gives both improved menus and an unfortunate glimpse into the incompetence of certain areas in the camera companies engineering departments.
The hobby photographer is what you might call a native speaker of Japanese, thanks to the US Air Force. His father was for a time stationed in Okinawa, where he met, married, and brought home a native woman, who of course spoke Japanese, So he conversed with his father in English, and his mother in Japanese.
My other friend was complaining to him that the Sony menus were, well, inscrutable. My Japanese speaking friend, although simply a hobby photographer, is quite skilled, He laughs, and the other man pulls up a particularly dense entry on a subject on the menu, and hands it to the Japanese speaker, who reads it and then changes the menu language to Japanese, reads it and laughs. Laughs a lot, in fact. He then points out how incompetent the translator for the menus was and ways what it really meant. They then sat down and went through the whole thing and now all is well.
Moral? The cameras companies (Sony and Olympus, I mean you!) should hire my friend, as he has both photo and language skills that could be easily fix your menus and get you better online reviews.
I understand this completely. When I worked for the airplane factory, the photo lab was co-located with the print shop and blueprint duplicating, because we were in the same building as the engineers, and the print shop produced pilots manuals, I got to thumb through a couple, and I can tell you that most engineers are not people to trust with writing.
Bill Pearce